If Everyone Should Sell, Who Should Buy? + The Hot Potato Problem + The Ritual of Owning Grails

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Updates homie. Talk like you never seen it. Sports Cards Live and I could ever beat it. Sports Cards is a lifestyle. Sports Cards and we live now. Welcome to another episode of Sports Cards Live with your host Jeremy Lee. We've got the card ladder and Sports Cards Live. Billboard is going to join us right now. Joe Perot, welcome to the show. How are you doing buddy? I'm doing well. How are you gentlemen tonight? Doing well. I hope I didn't catch you by surprise there bringing you on. I thought you were settled. No, I was trying to. I was trying to do the do the full billboard experience for everybody so know but it's hard. The screen's only so big, so my SCL hat, my card ladder shirt. Nice. He's all, he's all swagged out. I love it. I love it. Welcome to the show, buddy. I don't know. Have you been watching much of this at all? We just lost David. I'm sure he'll be back. I listened to the Mac and learned a little bit about that and, and his collection as well as his origin story. And then I just caught like the last maybe five minutes. No worries. We'll, we'll get you, we'll get you into the discussion here. Brad says, I cannot imagine not being ecstatic when I get a true gold card. Still feel that to a lesser extent every time I look at it. Yu-Gi-Oh it's, it's when I get the card. I mean, it's, it's, it's an incredible feeling. But the thing is, is that you get the card and you own it for a long time. You get to savor it. I don't want to just blow my, my, my enjoyment load when I get the card that day. I, I want to savor the moment. I want to make it last as long as I can. No euphemisms here at all, I promise you. I want to make it last as long as I can. No, it's true because I, I've also deliberately, like, I deliberately don't look at my cards for extended periods of time. Like not all of them. I've got several cards, you know, so I make sure that I. It's like when you hear a song the first couple times, it's like the best song ever. And by the hundredth time you've listened to the song, many songs are like, man, I'm done. I can't listen to this ever again. I don't ever want to get tired of my cards. And so the moment of discovery is like, that's the lightning flash for me. And then the owning the card is like just the light stays on and you just get to own it and enjoy it for as long as you do. Hopefully forever in many cases. So, Yu-Gi-Oh fun, fun, fun stuff there. Yu-Gi-Oh Lots of comments coming in from the chat here, as always. Jim says, I thought it might be a chicken and an egg question. I think it kind of, I think it kind of was absolutely. Bob's big boy here says the philosophy of ownership could be a three month course. What picking up a grail does is with sharing it and telling its story while it's in our care. Creates a sense of pride and can be shared. Yu-Gi-Oh Especially if you want to tell the story. I completely agree with that. Malcolm says my next book, the Enjoyment Load. Maybe, Maybe Yu-Gi-Oh Dave says this discussion has made me blow my enjoyment load. And Yankees fans's J. Lee pillow talk pod starts next week. Oh, you guys Goldin let that go, could you? I don't blame you. I teed that one right up for you. All right, we had another sort. Oh, go ahead, Joe. Since I'm on the heels of this, I don't want to take us down the rabbit hole, but I just wanted to reference. There was this incredible article ho you might recall it. I think we read it like a year or two ago about a very advanced book collector in Germany, I think in the 20s. And he talked about like that moment of the acquisition and bringing it in. And that was the part of the article, the piece that was the most revelatory for him. And just, you know, I'm thinking about kind of crossover, no pun intended, crossover intentions, like whether it's in the art world, whether it's in the book collecting world, whether it's in the automobile world where you do experience that kind of the glory of the acquisition, which if you're not enjoying that, like, if there are people out there that aren't enjoying that moment of bringing it in, whatever rituals are involved, whatever, you know, curation or placement in their homes or whatever, I think you're missing out on a huge part of the enjoyment of the hobby. Absolutely. Yu-Gi-Oh There's not, you know, I, I, I went to the mailbox yesterday and Beckett up three cards and they've gone through most of the ritual now they're at the point they haven't made their way into their, into their respective storage, collect boxes with other cards like them because I'm not ready to do that yet. I want to savor the bringing them home. So they're gonna sit on my desk for probably, you know, a couple weeks. I'll look at them every day. I don't want to overlook at them, you know, and then I'll put them away and then I'll bring them out once a month and I'll lay them on my desk like the other. I, I do this almost every night. I go into one of my boxes and I pull out cards that go together and I put them right here on my desk in front of me and I just sit back and look. This is after the show's over or you know what? And I just sit there, I just look at them and I'll pick one up, I'll Pick two up. I'll put them. Oh, these look good together. You know, I'm not ready to retire them into their resting home. I want to savor the enjoyment of bringing them home. You know, I like that better. They're resting home rather than storage. Like don't ever say storage again for your cards. Like, what's the word? I think, I think the auction houses use ingestion. And I'm always, you know, I'm teaching Romeo and Juliet to ninth graders and they talk about, you know, the Capulets tomb is like death's maw, like kind of going into the vault, which, I mean, we all have our vaults, right? It doesn't have to be a Fanatics vault or a PSA vault. Hopefully we all have. Might be a shoe box, it might be a corner of the closet. I often, Yu-Gi-Oh I agree. I often say, you know, it's, it's the once, once the card lands at your house, once you get that mail day, you have your process. I like Joe, you, you said that you called the ritual the rituals and that's a huge part of, of acquiring cards and building out your collection. Those rituals. I love that way of looking at it. So Malo says I cannot imagine just vaulting and that being it for the journey. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean some people have to because of whatever security or climate and all that. I Goldin imagine not being able to see my having visitation rights when I wanted to have them. Nomad here says I look at cards more in my card ladder collection than I do in real life. Not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. It's funny you say that because part of my ritual is to scan it, put it in my right folder, and then I can access it on my phone anywhere, anytime. And I'll sometimes just flip through one of my folders and look at my cards that way too, instead of going to the vault and looking at them that way. It just, it, you know. So I mean, Greg Miller and I were talking a little bit about the phenomenon of vaults and I, you know, as you all know, I have a decent amount of my collection in a vault. So I, I, I'm can't be completely claiming to have the ritual in person, but he was sort of talking about how like sometimes if you are vaulting a lot, maybe you don't have quite the same level of excitement or, or a bulliance when you, when you get the card, which could lead to wanting to acquire more and more and more and kind of like get that fix again. And so, as I've been experiencing my own version of FOMO and kind of like frantic desire to acquire more cards in this very, you know, heated market, I was thinking about what he was saying. It was a good point that Greg was making. Just that, like, vaults may not be. You may not get the. The victory dance in the end zone if you're vaulting all the time. I could see that being a bit different than getting them in hand and the tangible nature of them. For those of you who needed to know, eance means the quality of being cheerful, highly energetic and flowing with enthusiasm. Great word, Joe. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Good job looking it up so quickly. Chris, were you. I had to guess on the spelling as well. Luckily, I got it. Chris, were you familiar with the word ebullience? It's. No, I was Googling it immediately as well. I thought it started with an A. So as Google said, did you mean ambulance? And I. Oh, I did. I went. I went B, U, L, L, E, N, C, E. And then it put an E in front of it. It's ebullience. Yu-Gi-Oh I've never seen that word in my life. Joe Perot, everybody teaching Shakespeare to high schoolers. Jeremy, why didn't you ask Josh or I if we knew what it was? Because Chris is the smartest man in the room, that's why. David, we don't take offense, do we, Josh? If. If Chris wasn't in the room, we could take offense. Absolutely. Absolutely. What was the word, David, that I assumed you didn't know the other day, which I'm sure you did. I'm forgetting what it is now, Joe. I don't understand half the stuff you're saying, so, I mean. No, I'm just joking. Remember what I'm talking about, though? I remember I stopped you at a certain point where we were laughing of a word that you said. But, I mean, why would you assume I don't know that word? I know I didn't know it, though. I was just playing with you. All right, any. Anything else on this topic from the panel. Otherwise, I will introduce another sort of topic that we had. And this one, actually, I believe came from myself, but I think I shared it with you, Chris, and I think your topic reminded me of this one. And basically, this one isn't. It's not. It's not as nearly as intellectual as the one we just came off of. But, you know, we often hear people say that, you know, time to sell. You should be selling this, you should. You should sell that. You know, Whether, whether it's the flippers talking or it's collectors who sell some cars from time to time, whatever it is, we often hear that, that advice, time to sell. But when, when you're giving that advice to somebody, you're doing it at the expense of the person who they're going to sell it to. Not everybody. That's the, the, the caption of the title is everybody can't be selling you. If you're, if you are telling somebody to sell, aren't you telling other people not to buy? Just, just a thought I had. We may have talked about this in the past at some point. I don't remember for sure, but that's, that's something that, when I'm hearing content and the content is discussing how to play the market, I don't watch a lot of that content. So it's more or less I'm hearing it in, in other type of content and people say it. And I think to myself, the advice. You're giving two people, two different groups of people advice, but you're only speaking to one of them again. You're saying, hey guys, you have, you have your, your 48 leaf Jackie Robinson. 48, 49 leaf Jackie Robinson. That thing's just gone through the roof. It's time to sell. I, I have a. Someone just told me this. It might have been one of you. I don't remember my, my 1966 Batman card number one. I've had it for like five years. I think I paid $1,000 for it. It's now, it's now selling for well over $15,000. Someone said to me, you got to sell it, sell it. Get out of it, sell it. I'm like, I think it might have been yu-gi-oh. I think it might, might have been you on, on another card earlier today, actually. It's like, how do you not sell that card? I don't want to, but that's not the point. If you're, if, if someone. And it's, if it's, if it's one on one in private, it's not the same thing. But if you are out there telling people that you need to be selling whatever it is, well, you're doing it at the expense of the people that are going to be buying it because you're, you're telling them not to and that they're probably gonna. I don't know if this is an interesting topic to you guys at all, but I'm gonna open it up to the Fleer just to say, like, what do you think when you hear that advice coming from anybody? Is it good? I guess it's good advice to give if it's. Well, I don't like giving, buy or sell advice. But. What do you think? What do you think of the topic, Joe? I'll start. I'll ask you to respond. Well, just. Just to clarify, I did not say the Batman. I said the number one Mickey Mouse, because I don't associate that with anything except the word hokey or hooptie, which doesn't mean much to me, as you know. I like number 21 with Walt himself in it. Don't sell that one. But if you want to sell the number one. Yu-Gi-Oh I think there's. I think some of it might be a matter of perception, the kind of relationship between being a buyer and being a seller. I. I probably don't give myself enough acknowledgment that occasionally I do, you know, move or consolidate. Usually when I'm consolidating, I'm willing to just sort of take whatever for the cards because I've zeroed in on another card that I want. And I'm not sure if that's getting at the question, but I was kind of thinking about just the difference between being a seller and being a buyer. I think when I'm in a seller, I'm. I'm actually in more of a. I know a lot of sellers that, you know, they're. They're really good at what they do. But I'm more of a seller by happenstance and. And it's usually involving either. Occasionally life circumstances, but other times, like, there's a card I really want, so I. I don't need to exact, like a big value for it. I just want to liquidate and move on to the next thing. So I don't know if that answers the question at all. It wasn't even a question, just a topic to discuss and get thoughts and go in any direction that you want. So. Thank you, David. I don't usually hear people say just, you know, we should be selling this. Right. But what I do here, and I think I'm guilty of this, is I give my own what I am doing. Right. Which might also lead to people thinking that that's the way that they should do it. Possibly too. Right. And that might be. The thing is, like, when I watch hobby content, I like to hear specifics and not just hear theories. So when I'm talking about a card that I'm buying or. Let's see. Or selling or buying. We didn't talk about buying, too. It's a similar situation. Right. This is a card that I'm buying right now. Is that us telling the world to buy that card too? Like, I'm not making, I, I, in my mind, I'm not trying to say it that way, but it can be perceived that way, right? If I'm buying a certain card that I love, and I am loving it more than anything, well, is that me telling people to buy it? And if I decide, you know what, I'm selling this card to get out of it to buy another one, am I then downplaying the car that I'm selling? I think it's more than. I don't usually hear people just say, you should be selling right now. I think it's a lot of people's own journey that they're telling, which can seem like they're kind of telling you to buy or sell what they're, what they're wanting. I don't know. That's my perception. I think that is a sign of the content you consume. You're also pretty new on Instagram, so get ready to maybe not depend on who you're following and all that as well. But I, I hear what you're saying, and I have no issue when, when you or anybody talks about what they're doing. If the people on the other end of your voice are going to take that as direction or, or inspiration or be influenced by it, I'm really like, that's on them. You know, I'm not, I'm not spending your money for you. I'm not, I'm not selling your cards for you. When I'm talking about what I'm doing. If anyone is going to emulate that, that do so at your own risk. I take no responsibility, nor do I take any accountability for that myself. And I try to, you know, disclaim whatever I can along the way to make sure people understand that. So I don't think what you're doing is what I'm talking about in this talk. Your topic is more than welcome. Your, your comments are more than welcome, of course, but that's not the, the, the, the sort of, the intention of the, of this. When I'm saying you people say, hey, you got to be selling, you got to be selling your Cooper flags, or you got it, you got to be selling your brunsons. Like, if you're telling people to sell their brunsons, well, you're telling other, other people are going to be buy, you're telling other people not to buy them. So you're not you're doing. You're only doing half the people a service. The other people you're doing a disservice to is more of the spirit of the topic. But I love what you said. I think your comments are. Are more than fair. Josh or Chris, either of you want to jump in? Whoever comes off mute first. Ken. If neither of you do, I'm Chris Ho. I would pass the mic to the man among men if he has. If he wants to chime in first, that's you, Joshua Adams. I don't really hear people telling me to sell something, and if I did, I'd probably ignore them. But I don't. I mean, I, I buy and sell what I want. I don't listen to other people tell me what to buy and sell. Yu-Gi-Oh that's very consistent with, with your, with your Persona. Josh. Absolutely. Chris. I've got a fourth approach to this. I'm fascinated by this, Jeremy, because I'm so intrigued about why it intrigues you. And I notice you have a hallmark that I've definitely Beckett up on, which is that you are a stickler for logical consistency. And it comes across in many of your approaches to various things in this hobby. And in this case, I think the way that that shows up is that the, the issue is that it's not a universalizable rule. It doesn't apply to everybody. It's a selectively applied rule that when issued as a blanket statement, sell your Cooper flags. Now, it can't possibly be utilized by everybody because if everybody starts selling their Cooper flags right now, the value of all of them is zero. It's nothing. So you're very bothered by the fact that it's pronounced as a rule. It's pronounced as something categorical, but it's not universalizable. And that has a rich history and philosophy. This is Immanuel Kant's most famous contribution was the categorical imperative, which is that only act in ways that can be universalizable. If it can't be, and you're just saying rules, but then carving out little exceptions for yourself, you know, he had a big logical issue with that. So I think the solution is, or the thing that would satisfy your. The, the intellectual demand that you place on statements holding them to a higher standard is that the statement has to be qualified. Statement has to be really embedded with a lot more context. It has to be something more like this. Sell your Cooper flags. If you are uncomfortable with the fact that there is roughly a 70 to 80% chance that these are going to be worth less in six months and, or sell your Cooper flags right now if you really don't have any interest in collecting them for the long term, or even if you do, but they're. You're. You're willing to understand that they might go down in the short term, and then maybe you can get them back for cheaper at a little bit later time. And then once you've put those, once you've, once you've embedded it with that context, then you can also leave room for the buyer because then the buyer can still want to buy those cards just knowing that there's a 20, 10 to 20% chance or 20 to 30% chance that they could go up, but a much higher percentage that they could go down. So then you're, then you're allowing a buyer who has a higher risk appetite to come in. And then you can also address the fact that, look like recently we built out the Macklin Celebrini index and card ladder. And I didn't know what to expect as I was working on adding those cards to it. But I definitely didn't expect what I saw, which is that his index is doubled or tripled since his cards came out. And like, that was astonishing to me because in almost every instance, especially cards like Young Guns and stuff, like in the, in the beginning, you know, like when there's just a few PSA 10s, they're. They're at the highest price. And then all of a sudden, when there's hundreds and hundreds of PSA 10s, there's just more supply. The supply overwhelms the demand, the price comes down, even if the player is a total stud. But it just didn't happen for celebrity. It did happen a little bit. There was a bit of a valley, but pretty much, man, his cards have actually gone, have only gone up since he came out. And so that's the case where the person who's saying, sell Macklin Celebrini, when his cards first came out and they were operating on the 70 to 80% chance that they were going to go down, well, this was one of the 20 to 30% chances where they didn't. Okay, so if we put caveats on it. If we build, you know, if we, if we give it more scaffolding, then the buyer and the seller can be addressed and the comment can be universalized. Right? Yu-Gi-Oh I think, I think I would take it the, the making the statement more universal, universal. I would also add the side of the buyer, you know, yes, sell the card if you're uncomfortable with a 70 chance that it's going to go down in value. And if you're going to buy that card, make sure you're also comfortable with that 70 chance that the value is going to go. Now we're pulling 70 out of thin air. Nobody does truly know. And I've been saying to anyone who asks me, like, you know, and I do get asked these questions sometimes, you know, what should I do with this? And I don't tell you what to do, but I say if it's. If I had this card, I would sell it. That's what I say. I would sell it. But even. And this leads me to the, the reason why I'm, why I feel anything about this. It's not, I think what you said about, you know, the searching for universal applicability is definitely something that I. Maybe one of my hallmarks. But the other thing is that I feel it's almost like a. It's almost predatory to say, go sell. You got to sell this. Because now you're preying on the buyer, and I'm not comfortable preying on the buyer. You know, like, it just, it makes. So when I hear people say, you got to be, you know, sell. Sell your Trevor Lawrences before this happens. I remember hearing that about him. Or sell your zion. Like if you were people telling you to sell your zion. And here's a good one. What's. Joe will remember this 1. Alexi Lafreniere of the New York Rangers. And during. During COVID he was, he was the guy that everyone was chasing in, in. In Upper Deck hockey for Young Guns. And I remember Joe even said to me, he's like, he's like, I'm gonna. I forget how you put it. It's like you're gonna buy a box and go. His nickname is Laffy for La. I'm gonna go Laffy hunting. I'm like, I'm shake, Joe. Come on. Like, don't. Just don't. You know, but you know, we get caught up in, in, in these things a little bit. I would have been telling people back then if they were asking me, what would you do? Don't ask me what I should do, but if you ask me what I, what I would do, I don't have really have a problem asking that. I would say I would sell it, but I'm not going to feel good when the buyer buys it from me. This is one of the biggest reasons why I have a. I, I don't buy. Even when I'm purely in dealer mode, I still don't want to deal in the upcoming rookies, you come to my showcase at the Calgary Expo in three weeks or the Saskatoon show in four weeks or the Toronto Expo in November. If I have 500 cards on display, you might find four that are of modern rookie players. Because I don't want to. I don't believe in them long term for myself because I've just been burned too many times. Plus, I don't want to stick somebody with those cards. I just don't feel right about it. So it comes down to yes, Chris. I like, I like the universal applicability of it, but I also, it's, I feel it's predatory. It's pred. It's predatory. Predatorious. Joe. Predatorius. What is it? Predatory. Predatory. Oh, so simple. Thank you. It's predator. Yu-Gi-Oh So that, that's it too. Chris, does that make sense? Because you, you're interested in why, why I was kind of, you know, worked up on this topic or just wanted to bring it to the table tonight. It's both of those things. And the one that you identified wouldn't have even come to mind for me until you identified it as an observer. Yu-Gi-Oh it's a great point. And it's just a nice reminder that I took it as a reminder to myself to be conscientious to the fact that, you know, advice out of only one side of the mouth, you know, isn't. It isn't considering the full audience. So it's always a good reminder. I mean, you're just adding the piece, obviously, Chris, of context. Right. And, and Jeremy will. I, I agree with you. Jeremy does. We're putting Jeremy on the couch now, right? We're like psychoanalyzing Jeremy. He's nighty night. He is uncomfortable with blanket statements. He is uncomfortable with unqualified, like absolutes. And he generally will point out all the ways in which a categorical statement is, could be false in different situations. And I think, you know, that's one of the things in the hobby that people like to do is throw out big, you know, strong statements that seem like absolutes. But there's, there's always some context behind that where it might be a little, you know, a little more complicated than that. I, I do dislike those statements. Joe, you are right. And I mean I hear them all the time from a lot of people, some of the closest people to me. And I will always, I can't help it. It's not that I'm trying to prove anybody wrong or me. Right. It's just like I hear a statement, I Think to myself, well, there are probably some plausible explanations for how that might not be true, and maybe there are several and there's some that we're not even thinking of. That's where my brain always goes, is, are you certain about that? Are you certain that that is the only way it works? Are. I'm not even. Nothing is coming to mind for me right now. But as an, as an example, to help a context around this. But yes, I, I test the plausibility of many things because Oakum's razor is not foolproof. It just isn't. It might, it, it might make sense, you know, and I think I'm using that. Right, where the most obvious explanation is usually the right one. I don't subscribe to that, to the razor. I, I cut that, cut down that razor. I, I don't subscribe to the razor. I really don't now, in some cases, sure, but there have been, you know, I, I think about, like, people have been on death row for decades and then, and then genetic testing evidence comes out and hey, they weren't there there. It's someone else's blood. They are innocent. Well, om's razor would have said that they were the, they were the guilty party. It just made so much sense. But nobody thought about the PL there. The plausible explanation beyond a reasonable doubt. Beyond a reasonable doubt was never part of the, of, of that, of that case. It Goldin have been because it wasn't true. You know, So I don't know if I'm talking to. No, it makes sense to me. I want to get back to this predatory thing, though, just for a second. So, like, on the one hand, we tell people, make your own decisions. Right. I think everybody on this panel would agree with that as a general, you know, make your own decisions. Like, ultimately, like, this is not a, whatever, you know, investment channel. This is not like. And none of the hobby channels really ought to be. People espouse opinions, but at the same time, is it predatory if somebody's willing to pay something? That's. That's, that's. I'm, I'm, I'm. That's. No. Well, it's not. You're right. No, it's not. It. Not. It is not necessarily predatory, but it's also not giving any sensitivity to the people who they're going to sell to. You're only. It's like you're on. It's like, I was thinking this a few minutes ago, and it should almost be restricted to like, subscribed content sort of thing where you're you're paying for people to give you their insider tips. Because the. I may. This doesn't make any sense, actually, but I'm just. It's like if you're just putting it out there, you're. You're. Yu-Gi-Oh You're just only serving half of the people because not everybody can sell. There needs to be buyers. But I do. Joe, Strongly subscribe to. You're responsible for your own decisions. No matter what anybody says, whether it's me, Josh, Joe, Chris, David chase, the smallest YouTube channel, or Gary V, anyone who's listening to what any of these people say and spending their money based on what anyone says there are. You cannot shift accountability to Gary V. Or Jeremy Lee or Joshua Adams. You just can't do that. Well, you can, Josh. You can't. You can do that, but you're just not. You're just not an adult yet. In that case, if you're doing it. One point before Josh goes, because I think Josh wants to say something. And now I've lost my thoughts. So I'm, I'm sorry. Next. Next person, please. So, okay. Yu-Gi-Oh this is, this is, this is a fun topic. I mean, I know what it was. I know what I. Good. So the word. Using the word predatory in the hobby would assume that we know the future, that we can know the future. And that's. That is, you know, I think there's more likely outcomes, but that's what I think. Someone else might think there's other more likely outcomes. Vegas might think there's a more likely outcome, but until it happens, nobody really knows. So I think it's like, there's definitely predatory, like, you know, selling somebody something that's not what it is or. But, but like, it's predatory intention. Then, like, I, I hear what you're saying, but what I'm saying has nothing to do with the eventual outcome of the advice. It has to do with the moment, at that moment in time, what somebody thinks. It doesn't matter what the outcome is going to be. In my. I, I hear what you're saying, and, and it's, it's interesting, but the point of what I'm trying to get at with, you know, when I hear somebody say everybody should be selling something, whether it's a stock or a sports card. I got you, like, well, what about the people? So then don't buy it. You know, like that. That's all I'm saying. Yu-Gi-Oh it's not about predicting the future at all. Because, listen, I sold my celebrini Young Gun That I, that I, I, I bought one. When the hockey cards Gong show guys launched their repack business, I bought a repack from them. It's the only repack I think I've ever bought. And I opened it up, and I got a celebrity Young guns. I'm like, I got to sell this thing fast. And I sold it. And then he went crazy. So don't do what I'm doing because I got that one wrong. Do I regret it? Not really. Wasn't enough to. No. But speaking of regrets, I fell asleep on Thursday night, but a, a bird whispered in my ear, and maybe you've already talked about this, but apparently there was a, a 33 Gowdy Ruth at, on the premiere. And, and so I went back earlier today and I watched it, and I was like, oh, my God, what a existential moment for you on, on, on, on Live. And of course, this is very meaningful for me because that was my big pickup at the National. I went and looked at your card. When I was in that moment at one of the points, I was looking at yours. Yu-Gi-Oh dude. I mean, I mean, I don't want to. I, well, I'm curious what you think. I have feelings. David knows feelings. Because I, I, I, I don't want to dive. I'm gonna, I don't want to dive into that right now, Joe. But Yu-Gi-Oh that was a fun part of Thursday night. I, I just so people know, there are 33. 33 Babe Ruth, number 181, green background. I wasn't gonna bid on it. I put in a bid at the end, near the end of the auction. Thought I one-of-one Thought the auction was going to end. Thought no one else was bidding. Then all of a sudden I get, I get bit again. And then I'm like, am I gonna bid again? I think I declared I wasn't bidding on the card twice before I bid on it. And, and then, and then I, I got outbid. I was kind of like, oh, my gosh, I'm so disappointed. And I could, I bid again. I did not bid again. The card went. But I'm actually working on kind of clipping that whole sequence because I thought it was pretty funny to, to. I watched it back and I, I, I kind of, I scrubbed to find those points, and it was, it was pretty funny. But I want to go to a couple comments from our friend John, the basketball card guy. He writes here, I may be in the minority, but I never sell something with the mindset of rebuying it later. I don't either John, if I paid a price to hold the card forever and I still want the card, I'd avoid the risk and keep it. Yu-Gi-Oh that's, that's, that's the goal for me right there. You're not in the minority with me there, John. He goes on to say here, I get what Jeremy is saying. It feels predatory. If you think the market is manipulated, if you feel the value is too high for no good reason, someone's going to be left holding the bag. That's that explained. John did a good job of explaining. Kind of my mindset on that whole thing is that if you feel the value is too high for. There's not. He says for no good reason. I would say if you feel the value is high for the wrong reasons, which is very similar, someone's going to be left holding the bag. And that's the pred. Why I use the word predatory before, not yelly. It says it's the guilt of passing a hot potato. That's another piece of it where. That's why I don't want to be dealing in cards like that. That's why flippers. And I'm not. I'm talking like modern flippers who are like 95 of flippers probably discussing. They get in and out of cards so fast. Why? Because it's called volatility and they recognize how volatile those, those cards are and they don't want to be caught with that potato, with that hot potato. So, guys, just put up your hand if you want to jump in at any time. And I'm going to continue through some comments, but I will be watching you guys as well. Moloko here says it can be because most or many do not know any better. And they can be getting. They can be getting bamboozled. Absolutely. Jim here says Occam's razor states that the simplest answer tends to be the correct answer, not that it's always the correct answer. Yu-Gi-Oh it's that difference between tens, two and always. That's where I fall. That's where my brain goes. Tens, two is not Absolute. So that's why I'm. I will always test the. What tends to be the correct answer. Pressure test it to make sure it is before I'm willing to accept it as truth, at least for me. Hello to Jeremy Filipelli. What's going on, buddy? Welcome to the show. Yankees fan has a comment. Just went to Kelsey. Never heard of it. To see if you could bet. Oh, a prediction market. Looks like everything is a gamble. Thanks for tuning in and being a part of the Sports Cards Live community. Don't forget to like, subscribe and most of all, keep collecting more great content to come. Sports Cards is a lifestyle the Wild World of College Football continues Labor Day weekend. 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