Have We Learned Nothing? + Prospecting Is Alive and Well + The GOAT Movement

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Potential savings will vary Michael Jordan Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now Jeremy Lee in the building and every guess that you ever needed Sports cards after hours keep the hobby heated Updates homie talk like you never seen it Sports cards live and I could ever beat it Sports cards is a lifestyle Sports cards and we live now welcome to another episode of Sports Cards Live with your host, Jeremy Lee. Harbor island says that mindset is so flawed have no idea what you're what mindset you're talking about. Harbor Island Chrissy says if you just collect you don't have to worry about any of these issues because you generally don't sell. Yu-Gi-Oh but listen I actually there was a comment this ties into earlier. I will just like the only thing about this comment that I completely agree with it if you just collect but I would have to add Yu-Gi-Oh the only thing is like if you just collect without the money being meaningful then you don't have to worry about these issues. But if you're collecting with meaningful money I think you kind of have to a little bit. I think you have to a little bit consider some of that. Now I mentioned that this tied into another comment that we had and I don't know that I'm gonna. I'm gonna see if I can really quickly come across it but I don't think I'm going to be able to unfortunately so too many to search through. Harbor island here says the mindset of thinking fair market sales are predatory or there is any issue with it is is so flawed. That's not it. Yu-Gi-Oh I'm okay, okay. You're entitled to that to that. I don't. I don't know that I want to dive into it any further. I'm pretty content with my mindset on that harbor island, And I don't even know that. Like, Yu-Gi-Oh I am questioning the mindset right now. I. I don't want to just dismiss this because we were talking about it a lot. So I want to. I want to try to get my thoughts prop. I'm not as good as Chris is articulating the many thoughts going through my brain at any given time. He's able to harness them, organize them and say them, and in a split second, I can't. I'm much better when I have time to actually write it out, you know, look at it, reorganize it. So a fair market. I. Yu-Gi-Oh again, I think what harbor island is saying is like, be accountable. If someone's going to buy it with their own money, go ahead. Like, I don't feel sorry for somebody who spends their own money on something and whether they decided to or someone decided for them or they took someone's advice. So I agree that it's almost inconsistent for me to say both of these things. Right. Be accountable, yet don't be. Don't tell people to sell something on an open market. I'm being somewhat inconsistent with those two mindsets, and I want to reconcile that before we move on and not. Not be left with this. And maybe Chris can help me understand myself here because you're so such a good observer and processor of information. Well, Jeremy, to me, this is just my way of looking at it, and I'm not sure it's what you're looking for, but it's what I keep coming back to, which is that it just can't be universally true and our market operates. It can't be universally true that there's this instance where if the celebrity young guns reaches $2,000 in a PSA 10, it's a sell. Okay? So everybody sells it. So literally there's nobody to buy it. So what happens then? Then it ticks down to $1900 and then it's a buy for 10% of people and a sell for 90%. Or like, it's just. It's not a fully formed thought. It doesn't consider all of the implications. So that's where that's. That's the part about. To me, that that stands out is like the. The advice can't possibly be used by the full audience. It's. It's advice. That's. That. That in the only way that advice can work. The only way it can work is if some of the people actually don't take it. But why would you give advice that you're expecting people not to take? So there's just, there's an internal contradiction in it. And then the solution is just to add more context. The solution is to say, well, if your risk appetite is such, then this is probably a good price to sell at, because there's a decent chance, in my estimation, experience, that it's going to go down. But there's also going to be buyers who understand that there's a risk, but understand that the reward comes with heightened risk and they're going to buy the celebrity at 2000. And just be, be aware that there is a 20% chance that it could be a $4,000 card six months from now if you flesh out the thought. And okay, now we've completed the, we've completed the universe. You know, thank you, Chris. I think you got some of it there. But I don't want to use that universe universality as a, as my scapegoat out of this challenge from Harbor Island. I think, I think he's on to something here. Because, because there are. Just because I say, and I, I don't say this, but let's say if I were to say, hey, guys, we should all be selling our celebrities now, that is, I, I, I don't know that it's actually predatory is a very strong word for that. Just like I use the word hard hobby fraud on a reel and got destroyed for it the other day. I was just using a very strong, I'm using a very strong term. I'm being over. I'm being, I'm using a stronger term than I need perhaps to get the point across. So maybe it's not predatory that I actually mean. I think what I mean is you're, you're, Yu-Gi-Oh You're only talking to one group of people where you need two groups for, for the advice to actually, you know, play out and manifest itself. So you're only talking to one group of people. And maybe this is where I fell off here. And, and harbor is bringing me back because there's another, there's somebody else out there who's saying it's a buy for whatever reason they want to. And, and they are now, those people are now going to go buy that card from the people who are selling the card. So, and, and there's someone that put a topic here. Well, harbor says, again, that's what a fair market is. People will never, People will never all Think the same way or all listen to the same advice. I think that's what I was missing is that little bit there in my little analysis, in my head is that, yes, Harbor Island, I think our mind is right there. You're gonna have the other people who are thinking it's a buy, so why should you, why should you not say it's a sell when other people just fundamentally believe the opposite is true and they want to be the buyers? It's an open market, it's a free market. You can give your advice. It's up to you to take that advice and act on it or not. As, as the receiver of the advice. I don't know. I think Harbor, I think harbor island completely changed my thoughts on this. Not completely changed. Like I still feel the universe, the universality of the statement, Chris, coming from one person, they cannot be talking to everybody. What I might have been missing is that they're not talking to everybody. They're only talking to people who, whose beliefs are aligned with theirs. And if not, then they're talking people who are just not thinking for themselves. And I, I don't even know what to say about that. But Yu-Gi-Oh I think that's, I think that's fair. And I, I think that, I think that the, that the, the mindset that I had was somewhat flawed, but not totally flawed. I think, I think it was maybe mostly flawed to call that predatory because, Yu-Gi-Oh there's going to be people who read the data and are receiving the signals and processing it differently, whether it's information coming from a, an analyst report on a certain equity of stock or a sports card or anything else, I guess, for that matter. So. Yu-Gi-Oh I think, I think, I think I've grown from this discussion, actually. Yes, David, I, I kind of think of it a little bit of a different way where I just think it's hard to give advice in a blanket kind of way when you don't know everyone's circumstance. Right. I have a very, I'm reached out way more often than I ever have these days where someone like literally like instant messages me and says like, do you think I should sell this card? And it's like I can't tell that, that I don't know that person. I don't know their, I don't, I don't know their financial situation. I don't know if they're keeping it for 20 years. I don't feel like having a 30 minute conversation about their life before I can give them that. Now a friend that I know. Right. And I know they're collecting habits and their circumstances and stuff. I feel like I can give a little bit more guidance. But at the same time, just like what Jeremy said. I know I've asked Jeremy that question. Like what I say a different way. I say, if this were your card, what would you do? Right. Which I think is a little bit of a different way of saying it, because I also don't want that person to feel like the blame is on them. That, like, you know, that I'm asking advice, and if that card goes up by 300%, that I'm going to have resentment towards them. I'm thinking of that on one. On one situation. So for somebody to give a blanket statement to, like, everybody, that's crazy, right? When I'm thinking of that, for one person who I don't even know, I think you're right, David. The, the only sort of, you know, qualification I'll add to that is like, it's your. It's your delivery style, you know, and then you, as a consumer of that content, you have to know who you're. Who you're subscribed to and who you're listening to. But there are, There are people in our, in our space who make statements like this all the time. There's people who do it for a living. There's people who. It's. It's the, it's the type of content that they are delivering. And then there's accounts on Instagram and Twitter that that's what they tweet out. That's what they post. Is like, I'm buying this or I'm selling that, or, you should be buying this. You should be selling that. Well, if you're telling someone to buy it, then the owners shouldn't sell it. Right. So who are you talking to? You're all, it's, it's. Who are you talking to? Right. And who's listening? I will, I, I'm. I will always come back to though, that anytime you're taking someone else's advice, that's, you know, you're. If you're willing to take it, if you're asking for it, you got to be prepared to, to. To act on it, and then you got to be prepared for the consequences. And it. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh Harbor island respond says, oh, very nice. I think Jeremy is naturally a good guy and has compassion, which is good, though. I'm glad you think that. Arbor. Thank you. I think, I think. All right, Anyone have any thoughts on now now? We can. I. I think we're good on that. Topic we can open up to anything now if anyone has anything on their mind. I, I bought, I showed these two cards that, that I kind of showed how I'm buying some cheaper cards, but I Beckett up a really cool card the other day and I could have saved it for the hangover, but I'll show it here. Oh, wait, no, no. Basketball guard guy comes with a question and I. It's gonna start a little topic. Let's see what he says. I haven't read it yet, but he says, what about groups of people who all agree to buy the same cards and run up the comp values is. Okay, this is a whole other topic. But is that, is it still a fair market then? I think some folks can see that more than others when it's happening. So John is talking about like buyer groups or, you know, a coordinated effort to move the market on something or some things. John, that was not in my mind at all in the, in the, the, the situation that I was raising. That's why I say this is a completely different sort of discussion, at least in my head. But, but I'm not surprised that, that you're, that you bring this up because this happens. And I think we have to sort of be on alert for when this is happening. It's market manipulation. It's coordinated market manipulation. When that does happen, so what? So just to read his question again, he says, what about groups of people who all agree to buy the same cards and run it up? Is that still a fair market? No, I mean, it's, it's a manipulate. I think the answer is quite simple to me. That's a manipulated market. It's not a fair market. And anyone have anything else to say about that if and when it happens? Chris, did you. Chris, go ahead. Yu-Gi-Oh I think John is just providing the more extreme example and a very real example, but just to crystallize the point. But the point that you were making is only different in degree. It's not different in kind. The general idea is that if you have a very sophisticated, savvy seller who has much more knowledge and experience and information selling something at a very high price at a high market and, or giving the advice to sell something at a high price on a high market, and then you have an unsophisticated novice or misled or just, just generally a buyer who doesn't quite know what they're doing, then there it. This is literally. You know how the word predatory starts to creep into discussions that involve markets is that there's at some point you Know, when it becomes taking advantage of somebody, the question arises, how much agency did that buyer have? How much agency should be placed at that buyer as a level of responsibility? Now, I'm not advocating that position because I think that there's certainly a defensible position that says anybody who's undertaking to participate in a free market is doing so of their own volition and should go in knowing that they'll be held accountable for their own actions and that they have to decipher the information, the signal. And they, if, if they, if they feel like there's a risk that they're going to make a poor decision, then they should. It's incumbent upon them to do the research, to understand the market, to gain the experience, and so on and so forth. But the point John is making is just that there can be. John gives a concrete predatory concept, which is that people are deliberately manipulating the markets, selling cards to unwitting buyers who have bought into the false hope that this is sustainable and that it's organic when it's neither of those things. And so he's creating a clear example of it. You're talking about something that's of the same type. It's just of a different degree. Makes sense to me. Appreciate, appreciate the comments, Chris. And I, I, I do agree that a manipulated market is still like, you know, okay, hold on a second, because there was a response here from Harbor. Harbor here says it is still a fair market. Other buyers can decide, all the buyers can decide not to buy. And then I think about, I was, my mind went to thinking about, well, what about the stock market, where there are mechanisms in place to try to thwart any, any intentions of manipulating the market. Now it can easily happen. People can go and just buy out, buy all the shares if they have the resources. But, but that is a regulated, that's a, those are regulated markets. They're also centralized markets. We don't, we are fragmented. We do not have a centralized market. We do not have a regulated market. All that means, though, is that it's riskier and that you need to know more about it before you get into it. But a lot of people just come into the hobby not knowing it. It's, it's almost the exact reason why I wrote and published Pops and Comps because it's to give people some of this education so they don't get caught up by these, by these manipulators. But again, you ha. You know, you have to take some responsibility and accountability for what you're for, who you're listening to why you're making your buy and sell decisions and, and not blame other people for them. But it's a, it's a landmine out there. I think that's what John might be also sort of getting at because he said I'll be careful to you in one sec, Joe he also says I think some folks can see that more than others when it's happening. And I think that just comes with pattern recognition and understanding the market. When something crazy happens and it's also then deciphering, is it buyer group kind of manipulation or is it literally the response to a major influencer and their followers are not thinking for themselves, they're just taking the advice and maybe they're taking that advice and acting on it because they've had success following this person's advice before. Joe no good points, Jaylee. That's all well, well articulated what this brings up for me and John's very insightful, I would say it's a lot of comparisons have been made recently about, you know, the bubble of 20212 and potential bubbles forthcoming and a lot of people, you know, make the point and I think it's a valid point that people are much smarter now and that might be a byproduct of a, a previous bubble where people lost their, I'm not going to swear, but their behinds. And this, this brings to mind kind of like the, the question of like is that is I, I, I pose this question to, you know, my colleagues to the chat here. Just is how, how significant has the learning growth been? Is the learning growth significant enough to essentially what some people feel is like stave off any sort of elevator shaft type of bubble? Because people are more cognizant of not only market manipulation but also like maybe not prospecting as much, you know, the Zions, the jaws, like how much have we learned? Have we learned enough to use the word, the phrase stave off? Have we learned enough to mitigate a potential, you know, significant shift in the market? What do you guys think? Well, did anybody happen to catch Alts pre auction of the Cooper Flag debut patch? Heard about it, Yu-Gi-Oh Went up to a little bit shy of $4 million. And that wasn't even an auction of the card. That was an auction that potentially would set a possible marker for if the owner of the card would eventually decide to sell it through Alt. So all just sort of helped indirectly establish that at least there's one buyer out there who committed to a binding bid of just shy of $4 million for a Cooper Flag card. So I, I, I don't even think further elaboration is needed on has have we changed our appetite for prospecting? That and that's at the top end, but it trickles all the way down. Yu-Gi-Oh there's a lot of comments like, well, people aren't buying Luca based PSA 10s anymore. No, they're not buying Luca and Zion and Jaw. They're buying Con Knipple and Paige, Backers and Cooper Flag and Dylan Harper. Dylan Harper has multiple six figure cards. You know, Dylan Harper is, is, it is not even in the discussion to even be the best player on his own team. So there is a lot and nothing wrong with speculating on Dylan Harper. Only to say that this notion that we've stopped speculating or that we're smarter now and the proof of us being smarter now is that we're not taking risks on young players anymore. I don't see the evidence for that. I don't. I don't either. Joe. It's, it's every time the cycle repeats the narrative is that this is the guy. Luca, Zion, Trey sga, I mean it just. And now the new guys, the Wembies, the cons, I mean that the flags. It's, they're all, it's always, they're always the guy. But what, who is the, the last actual guy? I mean it might, it's like LeBron and Steph. LeBron03 Steph009 I believe. Has there been anyone like Giannis? No, not. I don't think you can say Giannis is, is at that level. I don't think there's. Will it be. Is Wemby the best chance? Zion was going to be the guy. He's not the guy. Anthony Edwards, I mean these are great players. Him. SGA is like, he's an, he's an amazing player. But are these guys going to be the next LeBron? Even Steph isn't quite LeBron. I mean, you know, it's, it's MJ LeBron and that's really it in that top, top, top. I, I love to put Kobe there from the, the hobby's perspective. I think Kobe goes there. But one-of-one is, I don't think the hobby learns. It doesn't, it's been proven. It doesn't. The hobby and there's so much attention on the new products and the hits at the breakers that it's always the flavor of the month. The flavor of the season, I guess is always going to sell for way more money than they will later on unless they become the next Mount Rushmore guy. Yu-Gi-Oh, I can't argue with anything you said. You made very compelling points. But I'll just submit one experiential observation from the national and that is every national that I never attended because this was my first year attending a national. All I heard about was NFL quarterbacks prospects and I saw, I like that was so off the radar of anything I heard anybody talking about. What was on the radar were goats. So like, does that go category to some degree mitigate what, what, what you alt art saying? Is it. Well, I think, I think it not. I think it's goats and rookies. Like it's, it's, I think it's both. I think, I think people are, I think, I think they, they appeal to, to, to somewhat different segments. The goats appeal to the more experienced collectors, I think, and the rookies and, and the younger people really because they're, they want to wear the jerseys of the, of the players and they want to, you know, they're flipping and they're doing, they're putting out content of all their deals. And I don't see that, how, I don't see content of deals on a lot of vintage cards. I mean, so I, I think, I think it goes both ways. I think, I think both of them there is a movement towards goats. Brent Wire from Deep Value would be very proud because he, you know, he came out on content, talked about the, the Pareto principle and it's moving more and more in that direction with this talk on the, on all the goat. Everyone's collecting all the goats nowadays. So Yu-Gi-Oh I saw a lot of younger collectors just not thinking about, you know, God knows who Caleb Williams or Jaden Daniels or, you know, and, and, and maybe that's just, maybe what we're talking about is that the basketball market was hot, the football market was not as hot. I don't know that that's one possibility, but I think I would observe that there's a little bit of a shift of a little less money going into the highly speculatory, you know, high risk, high reward prospects and a little more money going into Kobe Bryant, you know, Curry. Jordan. Jordan, Michael Jordan. Have you heard of Michael Jordan? I think you're right, Joe. I, I do think we're seeing more of that. So Yu-Gi-Oh I think we are seeing more of that happening and that might be that whole people are getting smarter and is that a stabilizing effect? I guess that's my, my follow up question to that is is that protective or does that stabilize potential or Is that its own thing? And there's, there's, are there issues with everybody, you know, prioritizing goats to the degree, the degree they are like. I don't know. I don't know. Let's go to a couple comments here if we can. It's also, we're also, we're getting late here. But John says I never get used to the new modern rookies. Having six and seven figure cards used to take years to become a goat and have your cards worth a ton. Different world today. Yes, it is. Hello to Aaron at Tropic Collects perimeter says people quickly forget high end goat cards like LeBron Brady. Kobe declined 90% plus in 2022 when prices got out of hand. Is that, is that correct across the board? I don't think it's. Here I go. I don't think that's correct across the board that it happened like that. But 90% is a big number. I know the LeBron card that I, well, the one bigger card I had, it came down, but not nearly 90%. It went from being like 30 grand down to like 12. So, but, but point is well taken from perimeter still that Yu-Gi-Oh those cars did go down and now they've gone right back up and past where they were back then. Harbor island says it's like the stock market. People buy upside like tech stocks, not Proctor and Gamble. That's true too, right? I mean, and Chris, you've said this a lot like collecting an active player allows you the, the luxury, the, the life enjoyment of enjoying their career with them and having a bit of a stake in it. It's much different than owning the cards of a retired or a dead player, it can be fun to do both. I mostly avoid the active, although I. If you're already a goat, like I talked about it the other night, if it's a Sidney Crosby or a Steph Curry who are, you know, all intents and purposes go their Mount Rushmore type players, especially if the mountain can sprout an extra head or two. And, and, and they're, they're guaranteed first ballot hall of Famers as well. That's comfortable. That's blue chip. Those are the blue chip. It comes down to risk appetite. How risk averse. I'm pretty risk averse. I would, I'm more comfortable. I sleep better at night knowing that my card capital is tied up in Jackie Robinson and Sidney Crosby and one-of-one Gretzky and Mickey Mantle and guys like that who are, you know, Jordan, who are just only moving with the economy not moving at the WHIM of the hobbies, the hobby. It's like, it's like Warren Buffett says, you know, the market is. The market moves. It's its own personality. You wake up in the morning, you got to say, how's Mr. Market feeling today? I think that's like a Buffett quote. How's Mr. Market feeling today? Because the market is not necessarily tied to fundamentals. It's tied to human emotion most, in many cases. Jim here says, I heard something about there will be no new Kobe cards going forward, per Vanessa Bryant. Is this true? Do we know? Does anyone have information on that? I don't know that. No one's speaking up. Sorry, Jim. We don't know. Christian says, will Otani market ever come down some or do I just need to pay and hold? We are not the people that are going to tell you where the market's going to go, Christian. But I think Ohtani fits into that category of Crosby and Steph and Otani, an active guy who's gonna probably be a first ballot hall of Famer and get his. His head on the mountain. Will deal says Ohtani cards will only go down once. 100 of the gambling comes out. All right. John says Jim defined. She did approve a new Nike partnership, so never say never, but likely not for a while. At the very least. Carl says it is true. Read Kobe and will deal says NBA. It's Jordan, Kobe and LeBron. And LeBron then move on. Yu-Gi-Oh I think for the hobby, that's for sure. True. Will Deal, Holyfield. But I think if you're. If you're. And listen, I'm no expert, but I, I'm friends with some experts and when I see their list of the top players of all time, I don't see Kobe in the three spot. In the hobby. Kobe can argue not overall value, but like the Velocity. And Chris knows better. But again, from what I've seen, Kobe's the number one guy in the hobby at all levels. Like, like Kobe. People want Kobe more than anything I've ever seen before out there. Anyone has anything to say about any of that, jump in. Otherwise we can start to wind this one up. One, one kind of like nuance to like players like the goats. Within the goats, the concept of the goats. There's also like the actual card issues, right? Like Prizm Topps Chrome Upper Deck. Like there starts to become a little bit more nuance within that. And I think that's what I'm interested in at this point. I've identified most of my collecting interests, but I'm more and More interested in where the sets that are intriguing, where are the areas within those larger categories like Buy Jordan. Okay, well, cool. There happens to be a ton of Michael Jordan buying opportunities. And within that, where areas that may or may not have been explored or appreciated in the, the way that they might be moving forward. Yu-Gi-Oh that, that's where being savvy comes into play or doing your reps and doing the research and understanding how it all, how it all fits together, you know. And so Yu-Gi-Oh I think you make a good point there, David. I, I also think a lot of this consolidation or goats and rookies, I think a lot of it from these younger generations are coming from because they have a different housing situation than we all did. Right. Or maybe even what we all have now and they have less space. And I think that you know, a lot of them are living still at their parents home. There's more kids living in their 20s at their parents house than ever before. And they might not have the garage like some older collectors who collected tons of sets and branched out to have thousands and thousands of cards. Maybe they just have a shoebox now. Right. In today's world and now with housing prices as much as they are for somebody in their early 30s even to get a house that has any kind of square feet, I mean you have to make a lot of money to be able to do that. So even if you do own a home, it's a lot smaller. So I think that the consolidation and the goat side of things, I think some of it has to do with just the way that our economics are for the younger people in the hobby. And like you said shoebox and I was going to jump and say it's it, it's a Zion case now. But Yu-Gi-Oh I think that that's a good point because these guys, they want to travel on airplanes, they want to have their cards on their person at all time. So that, that does feed into the consolidation aspect of it. But I think your points about you know, not having the physical space to store them as much too can come into play a little bit as well. Joe. Just, I mean one of the takeaways I had at the national was just seeing these like Twitter, 22 year olds like all about business, like very dialed in with what they were carrying their cash on hand, their trade, like there were some young professionals out there and they may or may not have been living with their parents. But I, I kind of suspect, David, that they're certainly still receiving some kind of benefit from being young and in that context able to Kind of, you know, launch their little independent business that they're doing. And you know, I don't want to like nobolize them too much, but they were, they were hardcore negotiators out there. I, I watched some deals go down where people were like yelling at each other, like in ways that I was just like, Yu-Gi-Oh this is tooth and nails. I mean, and, and I guess I just say all that to acknowledge that it's, it's, it. I think the landscape has, has developed in a way that was new to me. Go ahead. You know what? I've been kind of thinking about the, the flipper mentality a little bit. And you know, it's interesting because if we weren't talking about cards and we were talking about young kids these days and they do a lemonade stand and they hustle and that means that they're buying lemonade and then they're going on the corner and selling it for more and making a profit and making some money and we're all like, Yu-Gi-Oh good job. I love that hustle. And there's some people that do this like with cars where they buy used cars at auctions and they sell them on Facebook. Right. Or whatever Craigslist is in today's world. Right. And they do it that way. But when they do it to our hobby, we don't like it. Right. Because especially us older collectors and it's not the way that we collect it. And our nostalgia of the hobby is thinking of it as when we were kids and we didn't do it that way. But I'm just saying that nowadays in today's world, this is the new generation, this is the new way to do it. And maybe instead of just being so annoyed always because it's making our cards be higher, maybe it's kind of cool to think that like a young 14 year old is learning how to buy and sell and learning how to kind of learn life's lessons in how to do these things. Even though I understand they're doing it to our hobby, that's very different than the way that we collected as we were kids. Yu-Gi-Oh The hobby environment is a, is a, it's a great training ground for kids, I think, to learn how to not just like do business, negotiate, but to actually interact with people that are, can be very intimidating to them. Like people who are 20, 30 years older than them. It's a great place to develop a bit of people skills, negotiating skills that I think will serve them well later in life. And if they can make a few bucks along the way the hobby provides that opportunity, whether the OGs like it or not. Jim Define says the term goat is always an opinion. It's tough, if not impossible to compare eras and there are generational biases at play. I could not agree more. Dr. Beckett, on a very recent podcast with with Rich Klein get into the the term goat. And there's even another there's the, there's the goat G O a T there's the goat G O T E which is goat of the era. And then there's another one that Dr. Beckett quoted, but it wasn't his term. I think he said it was like Kareem Abdul Jabbar's term maybe, or some someone like that. It was like the, I think it was the, the ego or something. I'm not going to remember what it meant now, but I don't remember what it meant. But there was another one there. If you, if you ever, if anyone listens to Dr. Beckett podcast, that was a good one. Christian Hernandez says I saw sorry at a card show today. I love seeing kids get excited about buying $1 cards of players they liked. That's the best. And we're seeing more and more of that. At least I am at shows. Skeppy thinks that kids in their 20s living at home should be collecting $2 cards or not collecting at all. If they're buying cards in the hundreds or thousands, their priorities are all wrong. The only. I mean, maybe, maybe not. Again, this is where I that's a very sweeping statement. But what if you're, what if you are a wealthy family and your kids living at home, going to college and they're focusing on their education and they don't want to be worried. They don't. They, they're focusing intently on that. Not focusing on doing their laundry, not focusing on cooking every meal for themselves. They've got the mom there, dad, or the, or the team of housekeepers are there doing it for them and they don't need to go and they have a big house, they have their own. They own their own space and they have money because they have a trust fund. I mean, if they are working at a career where they can go be productive and contribute to society, then, you know, and the money isn't a problem, then I would disagree. But I think, I think the generalization that Skeppy's making here does not consider that situation. So again, I'm just being as Chris would say, that's my hallmark. So I'm gonna do it. Jake Stowe said my middle son had to recently move back in with us. He collects Magic the Gathering, so I kicked him out. Good one right there. Good one right there. Jim here says in addition, there are varying goat criteria and differing prioritization of agreed upon criteria. Absolutely 100 harbor says sports cards is one area where no one debates who the goats are. They just accept like 10 goats in each sport. You do hear some debating though. I, I, I've witnessed some debating out there. He goes on to say, smart for kids to be buying assets versus worthless items. I mean, I, I do agree with that. Guys, anything else before we wrap up? We're way into we're this is the longest we've gone for a while. So I'm good to wrap this one up. If you guys are. Chris is good. Josh, you, you got anything? Any final comments on anything? No, no. Just listening. Okay. Happy to have you. Chris. Feel okay? If we're good, then we're gonna wrap this up. Yankee says J. Lee Fiction Book Club writing POD starts next week. Will be here guys. Yu-Gi-Oh listen, if you you can listen to these these episodes, this show will be split up into six podcasts which will drop Sunday through Friday, tomorrow through Friday. So feel free to listen on pod. If you're not able to stick it out for all these episodes or you don't want to watch on YouTube, that's all good over there too. I want to thank Leighton for coming on earlier. I want to thank Mac Chelli from from Grail Guard, who I will be mentioning regularly now because he's often a great service to the hobby. We're really happy to be partnered with Grail Guard here on Sports Cars Live as well as the Hangover on the Clubhouse as well. I'll mention that too. Make sure you we we didn't have a hangover this past week. We tried. We tried, but it didn't happen. By the way, Josh, two weeks in a row did I record or I we record an episode of the Hangover and and cut it all to the it all. It all got cut last time we were able to redo it. This time we weren't. But we will do a hangover this week. Probably recorded on Tuesday, guys. We'll drop that on Wednesday on the Sports Card Clubhouse channel. So check that out. Guys, just a couple more comments from the chat here. Jim says it's great for kids to learn skills as long as it doesn't replace enjoyment. I think that's a fair statement. Absolutely. Nick is just finishing dinner here in Honolulu. Missed the whole show. Good to see you, Nick. And hopefully you can patch auto later on. Thank you, Travis Mater. Good to see you, buddy. 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