The Football Card Podcast #63: Who Decides a Player's Defining Card?

Foreign. Welcome back to another episode of the Football Card Podcast here on the Stacking Slabs Network, hosted by my good friend John at Pac Nicholson and brought to you by our good friends at Card Ladder, the official data provider of the Football Card Podcast and the broader Stacking Slabs Network. Can you feel it? We're almost there. Moratorium Week. A good week to enjoy some college ball. Let it soak in. We are looking ahead. We are looking towards next week. The official kickoff of the 2026 NFL season is upon us. Yes, it feels like a magical time. We're all optimistic, we're all motivated, we're all very excited, and we are more excited about the football cards we're collecting. You marry the football cards with the kickoff and it's pure pandemonium. Gotta remind you, Big Ugly Autumn is here too. I know. Here in Indianapolis, I can't get out of the house without sweating through my shirt. Ready for that to be done? Big Ugly Autumn. Let's go. Let's change the weather. Episode 63, we talk about some big uglies. Dig into what decides a player's defining card. Got a mailbag, big sales, and a whole lot more. You can follow us at the Football Card Podcast on Instagram. If you want to show your support for the broader Stacking Slabs Network, hit the follow button. Tell a damn friend. Run on over to the Patreon group. It's here. Episode 63. Appreciate you being here. Let's get into it. Hello and welcome to the Football Card Podcast. This is it. You made it. It's Friday and you're listening to the fastest growing podcast in the entire world that's centered on football cards and most importantly, football cards. I'm Your host, John, aka Pat Nicholson, and with me, as always, is Mr. Stacking Slabs himself, Brett. How you doing? I'm well. I love how this is the fastest growing football Card podcast of all time. It is growing so fast we can hardly keep up. 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The week one slate yet? Yu-Gi-Oh I got my picks in. It's tough. Oh, you've already. So how about the fact that we've got, you know, we're not starting on Thursday anymore. No, no, no, no, no. We're starting on Wednesday. So we've got the Pats and Seahawks on Wednesday and we've got on Thursday the 49ers rams with miles Garrett and Aaron Donald. Prayers for Brock Purdy or is Brock Purdy going to be stoic and that dude, that, that, that might be one of the most intriguing matchups of the week. If Brock Purdy can go into LA and one-of-one that game. We've already. We've got a. I'm saying we got a front runner for MP already because everyone's picking the Rams to one-of-one the Zebra Bowl. So that game will be fun. But Yu-Gi-Oh man, this I haven't really looked at. I'm looking at it now, but I'm excited to dig in. We one-of-one spend the time, maybe this episode talking about the slate, but next week I think we should, like, get into the weeds a little bit on some of these games because there's some fun ones. Oh, Yu-Gi-Oh I can not wait for football. Week one is. Week one is like, so special too. The, you know, they celebrate opening day in baseball, and that's a big thing. Week one in the NFL season is unlike anything else because you, you, you turn on your TV or you walk into that stadium with the highest optimism of the. Of the year. So for so long, the Colts were on the road for week one. In the last two years, we've, we have Week One home games. So there's nothing better than a week one home game. Going to the game. There's just a special energy in the air. The col. Oh, and the Colts one-of-one last year because they started. Yu-Gi-Oh we. We broke that streak. Yu-Gi-Oh That they weren't winning home or week one for a while, but. Yu-Gi-Oh that's. I'm looking at the schedule. I'm getting hype. Yu-Gi-Oh Having a Wednesday game and a Thursday game. Give me football every single day. Every day. Every day. My. I probably would. My wife probably would. We maybe never see it. We. It's hard to see each other now as we're both parenting three small children. And, you know, if she came down after she got done every night and I was watching football every night, she'd be heading to the basement probably to watch a show on Netflix. We may never see each other. So maybe that's good for the marriage that football is not every night. Yes, that's true. Can't wait. Yu-Gi-Oh we're recording this on Wednesday. One week from today. We'll be watching football, so that is awesome. Can't wait. Can I get an early. Maybe an early 11 game. An early pick for you. Oh, and. And we're going to do the game that's a week from today that we record that. Patriots Zebra bowl rematch. The New England Patriots heading into Seattle to take on the defending reigning Zebra bowl champs, Seattle Seahawks. I mean, I think Seahawks, even though that's not the sexy pick. That's just going kind of chalk at home. They're better. I think so. I don't know. Yu-Gi-Oh I'll just pick Patriots then. Patriots are gonna go in there. Shock. Oh, that's. I love what you did there. I. I'll take the. I'll take the chalk. I'll take Seattle. But I think it's gonna be a. A hell of a. Hell of a game. But, Yu-Gi-Oh we'll. We'll get into this more. I've got, man. I've got energy. We're talking about real games. This is fun. I know. And if only there was a way to, like, track these predictions in a, you know, some sort of league where we could compete against each other. There is the football card pod. Pick them league. Get in there. Sign up today. All right, I have. Before we get into the numbers, I have an opening topic, and it kind of came from last week. And when I put the opening topic the. A little how the sausage is made. John sends me a format, and I kind of get in and think about, like, what do we want to Kick this episode off with this week. And I sometimes think about last episode and there's a topic from last episode and I put it into the opening topic for this week. And then I was getting into like mailback and saw that there's a question and the p. The question asker really was the person that maybe inspired this this topic. So we're going to get into it and maybe I'll just leave the the reveal until we get to the mailbag. But the question is what decides a player's defining card? I did not think this topic was. Is controversial as some of the reaction I got, but the LT conversation we had last week really started to maybe, I don't wouldn't say ruffle some feathers, but garner some sort of reaction. So I think this is an interesting topic and I think it's an interesting topic because it is so easy in some, with some players to just look at a card and be like, this is that player's like card. You know, I think with a player like Brady, you go to, you know, his, his Bowman or you go to his rookie ticket. Just because these cards have become popularized through a long sales history, they are put everywhere you see them everywhere. They're highly liquid. But I don't think that's always like, what causes the card to be defining. So I just thought it might be a fun topic to, to get this episode going. And how do you think about this? Like, who decides a player's defining card? How do we decide a player's defining card? Yu-Gi-Oh I, I love thinking about this topic because to me it comes back to the, the word best and how that gets just thrown around the hobby all the time. Like, what is someone's best card? And like it. What does the best card mean? Is it always the most valuable? Is it always the most rare? Is it a combination of both? And like best card could be different from most recognizable card like Ken Griffey Jr. For example. Baseball Card podcast here for a second. 89 Upper Deck is one of the most recognizable sports cards of all time, Ken Griffey's rookie card. But what's his best card? Is it from Gem Masters from a metal set, you know, like it. I think it just gets. It's not as clear what his best card is, but the most recognizable card, that's pretty obvious. And then it just got me thinking, like, if you were a card, would you rather be the Upper Deck rookie or the like a 98 gem masters? Would you rather be this blockbuster hit or like this niche art house movie like you know, like, there's different appeals I think for like both of those Topps of cards. And Yu-Gi-Oh just like interesting to like, like. And coming back to lt, I think the conversation we were having is I don't think there's necessarily a clear answer for like what Ladanian Tomlinson's best card is. The way that if you come to a more modern player and you say what is Patrick Mahomes best card? And it's like, okay, it's probably his finite or his like shield auto, like you, you kind of right away get two Contenders that are up there and for basketball similar things like okay, logo man auto or this Zebra Rare Chromium 1 of 1 But some players and then especially in the, the pre one of one era, the quote unquote best card becomes harder to define. So I don't know if I, I don't really have necessarily a good answer there, but just some thoughts of. It's just always funny when. And then I think what rubs people the wrong way is when people determine something or like say it's the best card with like too much conviction, like, oh Yu-Gi-Oh you know, it's. Because it's all, it's all personal still. At the end of the day at all. There is no like, you know, official best card for any of this. It all is still opinion based at the end of the day. Usually for me, when it is the card that is the most popular or seen or prolific, it's the card I care about the least because I don't want to hear about it because I've seen it too much because it's transacted so many times. And it's. I wrestle with this because I'm like, is this card considered the best? Because there's multiple copies and there's multiple stakeholders who are going to advocate for this card because they own a copy of this card. My default always is when I'm thinking about whatever's best. It's based on my system. And based on my system I rate the rarity and scarcity of an item very, very high as opposed to maybe a lot of other elements that make up defining cards. So that's something I think about. Back to your kind of art house. What would I rather be? Would I rather be like the 89 Griffey where like, you know, I have a bunch of buddies, a bunch of relatable, you know, friends that we can, you know, chat about, you know, maybe I'd my PSA 10 and we're like, Yu-Gi-Oh let's not even spend any time with these PSA nines. There's way too many of them. And we're like an exclusive club. Although big can probably fill up a stadium. We're an exclusive club here. Or a Gem Masters. I'd rather be the gym masters because I have one owner who's protecting me, taking care of me. You know, he's got me in a nice little place, little cozy spa, pulling, pulling me out and spending that one on one time with me. It's kind of like how I think about like Toy Story and you know, the, the, the, the Woody of it all. It's like Andy was just it all about Woody, man. That was his guy. And so like I just think about the, those cards, those one of ones they get those special treatments. So I'd rather be less exposed but be great. Like a awesome art house indie flick. I love that. But then I'm thinking, okay, this Griffy Gem Masters, you know, up on a shelf by itself, just isolated, just staring at the Zion case opening and closing with this frenzy of activity. Every time a lid opens, it's a party in there. Like, oh, hey, I'm stuck up here. I'm, you know, isolated. I'm kept away from the streets, from all, from all my friends and my peers. I'm, I'm growing up warped, you know, it's like a homeschooled kid their entire life, like through college, homeschool. It's like, what are you doing? No. 3 Dog Night did say that one is the loneliest number. They, they, that is. There's a whole entire song about that. But I don't know, like the psychology around collecting objects, the more and more I do this, the more and more I want stuff that nobody else can have. And I know I'm speaking for myself, I'm not speaking for the card, but as a collector, that's why I tend to try to value rarity and scarcity a little higher. When it comes to who, who defines this. I think we all define it. And I think there's conflict because our opinions aren't the same as other people. This is a good operating system I take to the Internet is that I recognize my position and the way I believe things and the way I think about cards. Where I think about collecting is likely very different from everyone else. And I try to appreciate everyone else's perspective and be open. When you're not open, that's where you see a bunch of Instagram stories back and forth of people bickering and fighting about cards and that sort of thing. So that's kind of my operating system when it comes to stuff like this. Right. And back to, like, it all is built still on, like, personal knowledge, personal preference. I was listening to Chris Hoage on Chris Hoops Collectors podcast, Shout Out Max Cards. Great listen, Chris. Chris Hos. Talking about cards, by the way, is just. It's like watching an artist at work or listening to an artist at work. The way he's able to articulate his points and talk about cards. I feel dumber when I get on here talking about cards after listening to a master class. That is Chris. Oh, I was thinking, like, if. If Chris Hoage talking about sports cards, if he's like a Monet, I feel like I'm more of a. The artist that made the illustrations on big dogs T shirts. Just kind of shout out big dogs. Shout out big dogs T shirts. We're gonna get some big dog shirts up in the mix for the football card pod. But Yu-Gi-Oh give it a listen. It's awesome. And. But it got me thinking. He talks a lot about art and how art, like, practices of, like, art appreciation with cards. And like, I, me personally, I look at art totally different than a museum curator would because the gap in our knowledge of that craft is, like, so vast. You know, like, we could look at the exact same painting and we're seeing wildly different things because of the differences in knowledge and understanding of the subject of the subject matter, of history, of everything. So back to, like, what card is the best? It's, like, interesting to me to always think about if you took someone who knows nothing about cards and you laid out 10 different Griffey cards and like, the Upper Deck in there and the Gem Masters is in there, like, what. What would jump out to them as, like, the best card and like, what that practice would show is just how the quote unquote best is really just so influenced by what you know about the history of these products and the. All the different nuance that goes into these individual products. So I don't know, just something there with how. Yu-Gi-Oh we perceive different things based on what we know. Your big Dog reference had me immediately think about, and this is a shout out to my brother at McGrath's cards because he, he, he was a prolific buyer of this apparel. Do you remember the no Fear brand in the 90s? Yu-Gi-Oh of course, dude. I need to buy some no Fear gear and start rocking it on the football card podcast. Maybe hit some Bugle Boy jeans. No Fear and get some and one back in the mix with the face. Faceless Silver. Silver Surfer guy. Oh, man. Mark. Dude. And one had its moment. The mixtape Marbury. All the skip to My Lou. The mixtapes were like. I mean that was like pre, like proliferation of video content on the Internet. And getting your hands on some Anwan mixtapes was like, you cancel everything. Just sit in front of it and patch auto for days. You were seeing things you never saw before. Oh my God. Hot sauce. Hot sauce. Should be in the league. Could still be in the league right now. What about the. What about the professor coming onto the scene, man? Professor Escalade? Wasn't Escalade Mark Jackson's brother? I don't know. But I. I think so. I believe it. That's awesome. And Yu-Gi-Oh Rafer Alston skipped to My Lou. Made it to the league. Hit some. He did. Did he one-of-one a title or no. Maybe he was just on the magic team that went to the finals, but. And one basketball card podcast and one basketball card pod. See this, this could open up a whole lane of collecting right there. It's just getting those and one guys. Yu-Gi-Oh Someone show me your and one cards. We'll make an exception on the football card pod story this week. If you have any and one player cards, post them. We might repost them. Yu-Gi-Oh good, good opening topic. I don't know if we came away with we didn't or anything. We're going to revisit it in the mailbag a little bit though. That's true. Yu-Gi-Oh It comes back up. Last thing on the pick' Em league. I wrote this down and it's worth sharing. Pick' Em League. We need a hundred people. Imagine not being part of the first 100 and the fact that there's 30 right now. If you join now, you are still part of the gold Refractor club. So, you know, first 50 gold refractors. So you got. We got 20 more gold refractors out there. You don't one-of-one Well, I. Now I don't one-of-one disparage. You know, what would like 51 to 100 be? What's a parallel that goes up to a hundred or up to 99? Like a green scope. Like a platinum medallion. A platinum medallion. There we go. That's a good one. Yu-Gi-Oh So if you're not a gold Refractor, you're a platinum medallion. But the point is. Get in. Get in soon is actually first 150 could still be PMGs. See, that's right. PMGs are so common. They're everywhere. But there's all. But there's. But there's only so many in circulation that's always. What is. That's always the defense. Yu-Gi-Oh they're numbered to 150, but there's not really 150 cops. That's it. That's the point right there. I'm gonna start saying that just about any car, about anything. This is numbered to 10, but there's not really 10 copies. Yu-Gi-Oh you look at the pop report, there's only three there and I've been collecting this stuff forever and I've never seen another copy. So there's actually only three copies. But there really are only 30 people in the pick' em league and those are, those are the rarest that we've seen. So join the team. Get in the pick' em league. Episode 63 shout out us 63 weeks straight, no days off A lot of hall of famers. I think 63 is maybe the loaded most loaded big ugly autumn number. We've got Dermonte Dawson, Willie Lanier, Mike Munchik, Leroy Selman, Dick Stanfel, Gene Upshaw and Y.A. tittle. There's a lot to unpack here. A lot of those guys are all just like legendary all pro guards. Willie Lanier Chiefs linebacker, defensive player of the year at one point I believe I wanted to talk about Yu-Gi-Oh Tittle though. Can, can I share something real quick because you mentioned mentioned a name I have not thought about in forever and that's Germani Dawson. I had growing up a childhood wall every starting lineup known to mankind on my wall with thumbtacks and it just triggered. I had to pull this up. Look at this. 1999 Germany Dawson starting lineup with in this in the snap pose. Man that is unreal. He was good. 6 time first team all pro 93 to 98. 7 time pro bowler all decades team hall of famer 181 starts. Just kind of a beast of a football player. Hell Yu-Gi-Oh Okay, Yu-Gi-Oh Tittle. Why a Tittle? There's some some things to unpack here. First off, why a Tittle? What a name. Yell Burton Abraham Tittle Jr. Yurton. Awesome name. I don't know why you'd go by Yu-Gi-Oh when you got Y Burton sitting there in the chamber. Let that go. Don't, don't don't shortcut yourself. Yu-Gi-Oh he was a quarterback hall of fame quarterback for the Baltimore Colts, San Francisco 49ers and the New York Giants. Mainly the Ners from 51 to 60. He one-of-one an MVP though for the Giants in 63. He was a three time first team All Pro three time NFL passing touchdowns leader, two time completion percentage leader in the hall of Fame, he has tied for the NFL record of seven touchdown passes in a game. He where is it? The one thing that jumped out to me though when reading through his Wikipedia is, well, I guess there's two things. One is when he was like drafted by the lions in the 48 draft. However, he then signed with the Browns of the All American Football Conference to back up Otto Graham, which was supposed to be his last season. But then the AAFC commissioner, in an effort to increase the balance, took several players from the Browns, including Tittle, and from the New York Yankees, which was a football team at the time, and sent them to the Baltimore Colts to begin, just to kind of like make this team. And I was just thinking of how far we've come with like players rights and like league rule. Like can you imagine if Goodell was like, all right, we're just going to take five players from each of these teams and make a team. I mean, I know we kind of did that I guess with the Texans, the expansion team, but that wasn't like forcefully removing players from teams. There was some decision making there, but. So Wyatt Tittles having this great career, but you got to hear about this one incident that happened that if it happened anywhere else he would not like. I don't think he'd be regarded as this hall of Fame quarterback. So in Tittle's day he played offense and defense while during a loss to one-of-one Miss. So this is in college. Tittle's belt buckle was torn off as he intercepted a pass from Charles Connerly and broke a tackle. He ran down the sideline with one arm cradling the ball and the other holding up his pants. At the one-of-one Miss 20 yard line as he attempted to stiff arm a defender, Tittle's pants fell and he Tribute and fell onto his face and the fall kept him from scoring the game winning touchdown. Can you imagine if there was a video of that? He would have never recovered. Tittle would have never recovered and gone on to have a Pro Football hall of Fame career. He would have been cooked, done, roasted, chopped all the things. If there was a video of him running down the field and his pants fall down and he Tribute over his pants and fell on his face. I never thought I could relate with Yu-Gi-Oh Tittle until this moment where Yu-Gi-Oh Tittle in his historic career was saved because there was no video evidence of this incident. Whereas the proliferation of the iPhone had not really happened when I was being an idiot in college. So I'm thankful that videos weren't being shot in reals and tik toks everywhere. I'm glad I'm not in college now to avoid that. And I'm sure Yu-Gi-Oh Tittle is grateful that video evidence wasn't there of his big fall. Yu-Gi-Oh that's. I mean, like just look at Mark Sanchez. But then it got me thinking, like it's crazy that Mark Sanchez getting beat up by like an 80 year old guy and stabbed isn't the most embarrassing thing caught on video of Mark Sanchez's life because of the butt fumble. That's how bad the Buffalo is. But Yu-Gi-Oh for the Buff fumble to, you know, that's what everyone thinks of when they think of Mark Sanchez. Why Tittle's pants falling down and tripping onto his face is just. I would have loved to see that shout out Yu-Gi-Oh Tittle. Anything else you want to add there before I move on to mine? No, just a lot of, a lot of great 63s there in the trenches that are hall of Famers. Who do you, who do you got? I'm going serving some hometown cooking here and I want to talk about the former interim head coach of the Indianapolis Colts. And that's Jeff Saturday. Oh Yu-Gi-Oh still can't believe that happened. But I don't want to talk about Saturday's coaching. I want to talk about Saturday's career center connected directly at the hip with 18 Peyton Manning, Zebra bowl champion, two time first team all pro. He is in the Colts ring of honor, a true Jim Merce guy. Jim Merce loved them. Jeff Saturday, just a staple and institution. I'll also say like I tried to like find a Jeff Saturday card to talk about, but there weren't a lot of Jeff Saturday cards. And most of the Jeff Saturday cards that exist are post playing day cards and they're like dual autos with Peyton Manning. So not a prolific catalog if you're a Jeff Saturday collector. But I got to talk about the defining moment that most all of us have seen because we've seen the clip rolled back over and over again when the Colts were playing the Rams and they're all the way down in the red zone getting ready to score and must have been Tom Moore at the time, called three pass plays in a row and they didn't score. And then they get to the sideline and Saturday's bitching up a storm about why they didn't just run the ball. And Manning is like the most hotheaded moment of Manny's career. And the quote of the century is just when he looks at Saturday, he says quit. Call of the plays and just block and it's just like what a way to just put Jeff Saturday in his place and let him know you are Jeff Saturday. You are good. But I am Peyton Manning, so just shut the heck up and just block. Isn't that when. Who is it? Tariq Glenn. He's the mediator. Like I'm cool. Peyton's like, I'm cool. I'm cool. Like they just hook him up. Exactly. Yu-Gi-Oh that's all time. Peyton miked up moment up there with Damon Donald. Dan Mad Donald is. Yes, there's some good Peyton Manning clips out there. Yu-Gi-Oh shout out Jeff Saturday. And there was that moment when he became head coach. Didn't. Did they get hot? Did they one-of-one at all or they were. They dude, they. They one-of-one their first game against the Raiders but the. They lost the rest of them and the. The classic loss was just them being up by 30 something points in Minnesota and letting in the second half the Viking just come back and one-of-one the game. It was like if it was like pouring salt on the wounds of the season for sure. Yu-Gi-Oh that's right. That's right. But Yu-Gi-Oh shout out Jeff Saturday all time moment to the Pro bowl. Switching sides to give Peyton the snap. When Saturday was on. Yes, when Saturday was on the Packers. That's right. All right, 63, we got some questions. Let's get into it. First up from Drake's PC the NFL season begins next week. What a great sense. Who wins each division and who takes the afc, NFC and who wins the Zebra Bowl. Ask him. So year. Yu-Gi-Oh so I'll rewind the tape. Last year my I remember my Zebra bowl prediction on the football card podcast was the packers and the Bills. So that that was, that was definitely wrong. And going through this exercise it was certainly challenging some easier than not but I'm not sure outside of maybe a couple that I had a like there's no way this team doesn't one-of-one the division. So I'll read mine off real quick. The east maybe it the east was certainly my Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh I think it was still easier than most. I I just I went with Buffalo. I just I mean I just I like I like the DJ Moore edition. I mean I like Josh Allen obviously just go with the Bills. So west was very very challenging. It's always close. I I Ty goes to the runner and Ty goes to the Zebra bowl champ. So I went with Chiefs. The north was impos impossible as well. I dec. I had Steelers and I think the Bengals will be obviously back and good but I just don't trust their defense yet. I had Steelers but I. I swapped it out for the Ravens at the end. The Colts for the South. I mean I know I. I just have to. I mean I wouldn't be able to live my with myself. The East I Beckett the Cowboys and I know I'm going to regret it. It was. This was one I. I had the Eagles and I was like I got. I'm gonna pick the Cowboys but I'm gonna regret it. The west the Rams the north was very hard. I Because you're a co host I. I decided to go with the Bears. That you were the tie goes to the co host on this one. I. It was hard but it was Bears and Packers. Like I just kept fighting back and forth but sided with Bears. The south was a coin flip. I went with the Buccaneers because I don't know I just went with the Buccaneers. That one night was less defined and then Zebra bowl champs. I'm go. I'm going back to the well. I'm. I'm good. I think I'm gonna keep going back to the well until it happens. I'm picking the Buffalo Bills. There we go. Yu-Gi-Oh I kind of just flew through this. I'm not one to do predictions and if I am it's going to be weekly in the football card pod pick them league. I wouldn't. I went with Bills. Ravens. Sorry I went Texans. I'll go. I think the Texans are. Are good. Chiefs, Bears. Of course I'm going Giants. I think the AF that or that NFC East I feel like isn't it the. The division winner. It's different every year. It's always getting mixed up. Harbaugh, let's see if he can do it. Rams and Panthers defending champs of the division. They'll run it back. I mean Rams over Bills is like such the easy chalk very easy projection. But I think I'm gonna. I'll go with that for now until I see. Until the season starts unfolding. But right now it's hard not to pick the Rams. We haven't even. We haven't talked about Aaron Donald yet. I don't know if we need to talk about it much but depending on how he looks coming back that's just has the potential to be a very, very scary team. But it also does remind me of when we were talking about like the Eagles dream team where it's like these teams that get all that hype and like add all these pieces together can we've seen many times it not work out so it'll Be an interesting exercise to see here. I'm a big Sean McVeigh guy, so I think he can hold it all together and he's really good at probably setting those expectations. I have no doubt Aaron Donald will be very good. It's. You just got. You have a long season. You have a reigning MVP who's getting older at quarterback. Can they. Can they go the distance? That is the question. Yu-Gi-Oh Also, I. I don't know what the deal is. Everyone thinks Matthew Stafford regression. Like, I had two fantasy drafts. Matthew Stafford's like not getting drafted or he's fallen to like the 10th round. I'm like, this guy just one-of-one MVP with 46 touchdowns. What are we doing there? Crazy. I know he's old, but the guy is getting you three touchdowns a game. So I have Matthew Stafford in two leagues because sitting right there. Next up, from mostly soccer cards, can we get some fullback love on the pod? Favorite fullbacks and fullback cards. Other than the obvious. Mike Allstot, all start. Tony Richardson, Peyton Hillis, Lorenzo Neal, Leron McClain. I feel like we've given a lot of love to fullbacks on the football card pod. We've. I don't know if we've had many numbers that have lined up with fullbacks yet. Well, all stock. We had lots of all stock love and Lorenzo Neal has had definitely a moment on this pod. But how'd you take this, Brett? I feel. Yu-Gi-Oh maybe I. The. It's a. It's a. The position is going extinct. You've got use check. I feel like is the one guy that you can think of who's like impact player nowadays. I need his wife to make me a sick custom Colts jacket. I wonder what she commissions those for. But I mean, football card podcast mvp, Bronco Nagurski. He played fullback, right? No. Yu-Gi-Oh But the. When I saw the list, great call outs all start. And those were great. The one that I felt like was missing was Larry Centers. Like, Larry Centers, man. He just. He was. That's a 90s football guy if I ever saw one. So I went back and look at Larry Center's career and it was great. So shout out all you Larry Centers player collectors out there. Yu-Gi-Oh I, I took a chance to. I was like, who's a fullback? I remember that isn't part of this list. And Corey Schlesinger. And for the Lions, it was always, I feel like a thing during broadcast where they would talk about how many face masks he had broken in his career because he was always just running straight into people face first. Breaking face mask. Just a vicious blocker, kind of like a. A young Cam Scbo, like maybe with just a relentless, relentless drive and no fear of cte. Just willing to just bash your face in to get that extra yard. So I think Cory Slinger walked so Cam Scaboo could run or Cory Sesser blocked so Cam could run. We'll say that. By the way, did you. I didn't quite do connect the dots until now, but that Giants division pick, how much Jackson Dart are you holding over that? Yu-Gi-Oh If I just had. I've been buying all the dart just, just for this year. Yu-Gi-Oh I kind of forgot that that pick also depends on Jackson Dart. I was thick. I. I just have faith in Harbaugh. Like, I just feel like he can come in and one-of-one 10 games and in that division, I think it can get. That can one-of-one the division. I don't know. I don't. That's fair. Yu-Gi-Oh But I guess, Yu-Gi-Oh dark dart is a big factor in that. Unless dark gets hurt and it's Jamis time, baby. Just give me Jamis and Harbaugh. I think they could make some magic. They can one-of-one 10 games. I believe that. All right, next up from Jay in Houston. It doesn't mean much, but I'll give you a thought. To agree or disagree with Topps has and will be onboarding new collectors at rates the hobby has never seen. Topps is finding ways to reach existing and new collectors in ways other companies have never done. And at the same time, over the next three years, Panini will be making off brand unlicensed products. What we think of Panini today will change. The collectors who started with Panini products may be more sticky, but more and more of the hobby will have been onboarded by Tops. So although cards like Prizm Rookies and Short Prints will always be relevant, I wonder about their case hits. Once Topps figures out Zebra short prints, I think they could consume all the air that downtowns and uptowns and those cards have right now. Thought this was really interesting. We've kind of touched on this before too, of just this, this new era and like what. How people will view Panini moving forward. But Yu-Gi-Oh what did, what did you think of this? I think it's a really good thought exercise and it's very interesting to go down the different paths you can when you're thinking about case hits and Panini. And the way I think about this is eventually when cards that have a high supply, like eventually, I think they will go out of style if there aren't enough collectors to support those cards or who actually want to keep those cards. And I think we're going to see that probably a lot with some of these Panini case hits. I will say I think probably the most protected would be the Kaboom. Even like the base kabooms that are higher population are likely probably okay because they have such a strong brand identity. There. There has not been any case hits really that I have seen. And probably part of this is the serial numbering of the kabooms and the golds and then you know, the one of ones that has really helped connect the liquidity and the flipper side with the collector side. And I think there's an agreement, there is a, there is a connection point between flippers thinking about kabooms and collectors thinking about kabooms. And there's like a bridge there. And I think to me, likely you're not going to remember everything 20 years from now, but I think the Kaboom is probably going to hold up. And now I don't know what that means from a value perspective, but I think just from a demand perspective, I think everyone will always want kabooms just because the splash was too big, the brand was, has been too strong and recognized and there are versions of those cards that are rare and scarce. Yu-Gi-Oh that, that's a very good call. I think I, I was more interested thinking about if we go 10 years like from this point on, 10 years straight of Panini pumping out unlicensed products, does that start to hurt? Prime Panini products? Does like Panini or this like new wave of collectors start to take on this like leaf personality or something and like would that negatively affect previous products? And I don't, I don't think it necessarily would. It's just to be interesting to think about but. Or like would it be better if Panini just ceased to operate, you know, rather burn out or fade away type argument. Like it was funny to see the other day, Russell Westbrook announces his retirement. And then I feel like all I saw was everyone loving on Russell Westbrook. That's right. Immediately. And it was like, man, people hated on Russ for the last, forever six, seven years of his career. And there's just something about like once the career is finalized, like the perception instantly changes to like looking at it in retrospect versus like looking at it in real time and like critiquing what they should or shouldn't be doing and kind of thinking about that with a brand like Panini, if, you know, if they just are releasing cruddy products for the next 10 years, does that hurt them? But then at the same time, we've seen cycles like this happen a mil. Not a million times, but many, many times over over the last hundred years. In this industry where there are brands that no longer exist or brands that lost licenses and then continued, and just the cards that were made at a specific point in time that capture a specific era, a specific player like those will always be collectible and will always be desired by collectors. So to go back to the question where I guess he's just specifically talking more about case hits, I. I don't think, like, a new product in 2025 is really going to make some case hit from like, 2015 Absolute because I think there'll still be people who want to collect cards of a player from, like, that era of 2015 and like, that they will still find that Panini case hit. So I don't know if they're necessarily connected in that way, but I don't know. Interesting. Interesting topic to think about. If I were on the executive team at Panini right now, I probably. I'd be. Dude, I'd be sourcing so many IPs, I'd be like. I'd be like, let's put the sports thing on the back burner and let's just get creative. Like, we've got these brands. We've got Prizm We've got these case hits. Like, let's have some fun. Like, I think that there's a. That's what I would be P. Every meeting, they'd probably fire me. Every meeting, I'd be like. I'd start with, like, let's not talk about sports here. Let's talk about the Simpsons. Let's talk about. You know what I mean? Like, that's kind. That would be in that. Like, let's go nostalgia. Let's go like, Yu-Gi-Oh MTV Raps, Prizm Like, let's. Let's do this. That's what I'd be about. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, they've got Rolling Stones, Prizm I know it didn't do. Didn't do very well, but I don't think it was marketed right. I don't think it was marketed right. And I feel like there was like a hundred black finites of like, different. Or at least my save searches said so. But, Yu-Gi-Oh no 100% aligned. I think that they go for other IPs that aren't just. You don't. No one wants the unlicensed basketball coach card of a player, even though it's Panini. And then I think I saw somewhere Though there was. Man, this is terrible radio. But they, they made a Kaboom of like some character. There was some cartoon character that I saw a Kaboom of. I. It could have been Yu-Gi-Oh who knows? Never mind. Disregard all of this. But I know I saw somewhere that like they were cranking out some new type of Kaboom set. So what do you think about the cross promotion of and the. Of like the a movie like Minions and putting the Minions guys in cards and it's like strategic around the launch of the movie. But then the, the in the. The market is saying, well these are the, the. These are sps. So let's like say these are really valuable and sell them for high. Like do you think there's a play there where like Tops is collaborating with entertainment companies to produce cards like this and put them in packs? Like are you for this or do you you against it or do you not really care? Do you know what I'm talking about? Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh I feel like that's hasn't like always happened, but there's. That's always going to exist within the marketplace. I'm thinking of Jay Z when he was in all those top sets because he was like our owner of the Nets and like was able to get in there that way. And I'm sure there are other like inserts and other promotional cards that have been tied around other like pop culture IPS that have happened. Yu-Gi-Oh the Minion thing, I don't get it. Like the price. Eat a cream Abdul Jabbar Minions card. Yes, that's what my collection needs. But it is, I don't know, it's crazy right now. And with like Disney in general is crazy right now. Like those prices are absolutely insane. So I'm sure the Minion hype is kind of. There's some connection there where people want Disney cards, they want a Minions card, they want these rare cards of other Topps of characters is definitely. And like that's always been there and that's always had moments. But like I remember this in 2022 I was buying Jay Z cards because I was like, oh, not like I've always had a interest in non sports collectibles too. And Yu-Gi-Oh it just. I don't know, it'll. It'll come and it'll go though. It also makes me think of May 19th and Kane. Like in every, in everything we have, nothing is sacred. In wrestling, all of a sudden, some storyline turns out to be a release of a movie, a movie release date. And in cards, all of a sudden your new Case Hit insert is actually promotion for a new movie. So you're. You're always being fed an ad no matter what you're listening to. You're listening to the football card pod right now, and we're telling you to go join. Pick them. Like everyone's trying to get you to do something all the time. It's up to you to just do whatever you think is best. And what you think is best should be joining the pro football card. Pick them. That's right on the. The cane front and then we can move on. Yes, it was promotional, but we did get finger 11 slow chemical as his new theme song, which turns out to be probably the best modified version of an original wrestling theme song turned into a new theme song in pro wrestling history. I don't know if I. I can't recognize that song or I can't think of all. All I can think of is the classic Kane music intro. That's. It's that, but with like a crappy like new metal band, like with lyrics backing it, but it's actually like perfect for wrestling. Okay, I'll listen to that right after this call. Okay. Next up from Bolt Card Crew. And this is kind of gonna take us back full circle. He says how is it possible for a non rookie card to be a player's quote, best card? Shout out Bolt Card Crew for the inspiration behind the opening topic. And we kind of greased the skids a little bit. I think the answer to your question. First of all, let me back up a second. The. There's a. The rookie card narrative is the deepest cut that we have in the hobby. There somewhere, someplace, there was a decision by the power set B that said rookie cards are bust. Rookie cards are the cards. I remember getting back into the hobby and that was the push. And then I started to learn about cards and I'm like, well, why would I want this card when there's 2,000 graded copies as opposed to like this second year card that has five copies? And so as someone who appreciates rarity and scarcity, I always kind of pushed against the grain a little bit to answer the question. It's very possible for a rookie card to not be the best card when the catalog of the rookie cards are very stinky. Like there are stinky years where there's just not great rookie cards. There's not rare and scarce rookie cards. And so I think I don't want to project because I think it's all personal taste. But how you measure it is entirely up to you. For me, I Value rarity, I value scarcity and I think over a high population, more recognizable card. For what it's worth, I will say this. I will always side with the rookie card if the rarity and scarcity matches it. So for instance, there's no way I'm going to say the Zebra bowl year, first Zebra bowl year black finite of Patrick Mahomes is better than his rookie year. Black finite. That's just. I would never say that I would lean towards the rookie year. So that's kind of how I think about an individual player's best cards. Most important note personal taste. And I, I mean I think it's interesting again to kind of think about like why, why rookie cards in the first place got got to this point. And it was because that was a way to set themselves apart from every other card from someone else. Like again before serial numbers, before inserts even, it was just I want to collect this player. Okay, what's, where's the direction to go? It's like all right, their first card, like their rookie card. Like that was direction. And even back in like the 90s it seems like if you had to ask a kid like what they wanted, would you want the Griffey Upper Deck rookie or a Griffey gem Masters? I bet they'd be like the Upper Deck rookie because they didn't know what the gymnasters was and their friends don't know it. It like Yu-Gi-Oh it looks cool and oh, it has a serial number on it. But like everyone recognizes the Upper Deck and I want the one that everyone recognizes. And so there I understand why rookie cards are h are what they are and why, why they are desired. But I don't think like to answer the question where he's saying how is it possible for a non rookie to be the best card? Like there's not one clear answer because like the hobby kind of dictates that personal preference dictates that with if two people are willing to spend a lot of money on a card, that's what can determine, you know, what card is the most valuable or what card's quote unquote the best or most important. So I don't know. The answer that kept floating in my mind is it just does. From Joe Dirt. How exactly is a rainbow made? It just does. Joe Dirt's a classic. Yu-Gi-Oh I think this is, this has been the topic of the episode, so it's interesting. There's no definitive answer, but it's good to have conversation around it. Yep. All right, great questions everybody. Thank you very much. As Always. Should we keep it moving? Let's get into NFL, check in, and then we'll get into some sales. Anything on your mind as the season rapidly approaches? There sure is. I'm trying to plan and prepare, knowing I'll be going to a lot of games, knowing I'll be at home watching a lot of games. And the question I wanted to present back to you because you're in a position like me as a father. The navigation of an NFL Sunday when you have kids. What is the sustainable strategy to survive an entire NFL season with children and responsibilities? Present NFL goes all day. All I want to do is sit and watch NFL all day, but there's competing priorities. So I wanted to patch auto to you to see how do you handle this? Like, what's your strategy? Like, sure. There's other dads out there who have thought about this and are trying to figure it out themselves. So spend a little time here on this topic. Yes. Great topic. It's. It's gonna be a new season in the sense. My daughter turns three, like tomorrow, so she'll be three by the time this is out. Different than last year, where she wasn't. She was moving around, but, like. But she was more ploppable. It could be. I could be watching the game and she could just be, like, kind of doddling around, doing whatever. Whereas now I feel like she could have strong opinions of, like, I don't want to watch this game, or, like, I want to watch something else. So I'll. I'll cross that bridge when I get there. But for the most part, we watch the Bears. The Bears games are watched in this household. And then I'm watching prime time games. But, like, I. I don't think last year I was really ever, like, watching every Sunday game. You know, it was. It's hard to commit to that. And also, Yu-Gi-Oh with kids do that necessarily. So there's a lot of, like, all right, if the Bears play at one, we're watching that Bears game, and then we're, like, going out to do something for the league games, or if the Bears are playing the late game, where, you know, whatever. Or if the Bears are playing Monday Night Football Sunday. I might not watch a lot of football on Sunday, or friends are having people over. You know, I don't know. There's always plans that could revolve around football, but it's not the way it used to be in my Zebra kids, where I could wake up and watch the London game and watch the next game and the next game and watch Sunday night and just be in pure football bliss for 12 hours straight. But one thing I did want to pull you and then the loyal listeners in the football Card podcast. But I need a staple like game day snack. I need a, I need, I need thinking of something like in the crock pots and like mini weenies or my wife makes a mean buffalo chicken dip. That's a staple that you know, everyone's got to have for football watching. But curious if you have any staple staples, snacks that you're whipping up in the stacking slabs household. Yu-Gi-Oh I'm a big snack guy. The buffalo chicken dip is definitely. That's high up on the list. There's trade offs though your Monday, it's not going to be a lot of fun. You got to know that going into it because that the buffalo chicken dip has a lot of substance. So recognize that we have a, a Traeger Traeger customer. So like the, the best is when I wake up in the middle of the night, get that thing going and do some pulled pork, do some wings and just let that baby smoke and time it so that right before the cold scheme there's some smoked meats. So that is something I like. I'm very traditional. I kind of just like if you got a bag of Tostitos like I can find something to do with it. Like I, I like, I love a Tostitos party size only. Don't bring the small bags, don't bring the rounds. Don't give me the hint of this and the hint of that. I want the traditional fresh party sized bag. You open it up. The first chip you take out the, the top, the saltiest. It's always the best. So shout out to Stedos if you want to sponsor the football card podcast. We got some placement for you. But Yu-Gi-Oh that's man, I love, I love the marriage of snacks in sports. I could talk. We could do a whole podcast on this topic. Yu-Gi-Oh no, I mean chips. Of course. Chips, dips have that down. I was thinking I need more of a. I need a signal the meats. I need a signature meat dish out here. I need, I might need the Traeger. You could do dude, crock pot with. You could get Chicago. You could do your. What were you hyping up? What, what did you order at Fat Dance Beef. Yu-Gi-Oh you can make your own Italian beef. Yu-Gi-Oh we gotta. Well, I'll figure something out. But Yu-Gi-Oh this season. I like having a new signature dish every season. So fun aside or on this topic with pre kids. I used to have friends over, like for every game, you know, it would just be like you had nothing else going on and. Yu-Gi-Oh Except to invite 10 of your buddies over for a party and to watch the game. And there was a couple seasons where what my strategy was and this was fun. So if, if you have the time, everyone and you don't have a bunch of kids or priorities, I would highly recommend doing this. And that is whoever your team is playing, create the cuisine based on the opposition's region. And that was amazing, man. I, we, you know, we do crab cakes when we were out and you know, playing the Ravens, like that was a blast. And so that was fun. I, that just triggered as we were talking about this, that I like that there's something there. Carolina week one. Carolina barbecue. Good idea. But Yu-Gi-Oh listeners, if you have any game day snacks, any game day recipes, share, maybe that's a card. Call out, share a recipe. All right. So Yu-Gi-Oh the, I don't know any other parenting tips for navigating game day? How, how are you? You nailed it, man. You nailed it. I, I, I need to say no more. And that is you're up against a lot, a lot of adversity with pleasing spouses, with taking care of kids. The best you can do is focus on your team. Yu-Gi-Oh focus. Put all your focus on your team. Doesn't matter what your fan, who's playing in fantasy, where your bets are, the investments you've made in cards, none of that matters. Just focus in on your team. And I have found when you do that, everything else falls into place and then you get the kids down. You got Sunday Night Football, Monday Night Football, where you can just enjoy it. So don't stretch yourself too thin. It's a long season. Yu-Gi-Oh I mean, even if I get the Bears and then I get prime time, that's still seven hours of football, which is, that's a good, that's a one-of-one That's a big one-of-one in this day and age. It's not what it used to be. My numbers are lower than what it used to be, but I'll take seven hours. Absolutely. All right. Market watch. Market watch. Shout out card ladder. This is disclaimer on all these. These are all monster sales because we had Premier auction and there's just such big cards and I felt like obligated that we had to talk about them. So we understand. Most of us probably don't play in these waters, myself included. So we're going to talk about them though. First card up. We actually, I think we talked about this card before it even existed. So we it is. We've gone full circle. We have the 2025 Topps Chrome Patrick Mahomes Superfractor 1 of 1. Not the variation, the real deal in the Beckett It's got the tongue out a little bit. Getting ready to unload. This card sold for $240,000. It's in a PSA9. Yu-Gi-Oh man. This is. This is a. A big old card. Patrick Mahomes first Topps Chrome Superfractor. That card is sick. I love 2025 Topps Chrome. The design continues to grow on me with like the team color stripes and then the Chiefs with a gold parallel. It just always looks so good. Like this card was meant to be a Superfractor. $240,000 is a lot of money. A lot, a lot of money. But I mean it kind of makes sense I think when you look at what a huge one of one of premier quarterbacks command like we're watching the. I think it'll be ended by the time this airs. But the Brady 2013 finite is on alt currently sitting over a million dollars. So not a rookie card, not even a first year Panini Prizm but still a million dollar card for just A top tier one of one of Tom Brady top tier one of one of the Patrick Mahomes going for 240,000. Kind of falls in line with that pricing in my mind. But Yu-Gi-Oh awesome card. I was just looking. I'm trying to find it. Let's just use this as an example because it's a good cross comparison. The last momes 2017 Prizm gold or gold vinyl that sold was 12-6-25 and that was the gold vinyl and a BGS 95. That card sold for 195,000. So you can and it's card ladder values 203,000. See this is where you get into the rookie and the rarity and scarcity conversation where it's like the question is what would you rather have? Would you rather have Patrick Mahomes 2017 gold vinyl rookie card for $195,000 or. Or would you rather have Patrick Mahomes there's five copies of that. Or would you rather have Patrick Mahomes first Topps Chrome Zebra factor which is a one of one for $240,000. That is the question. That is the question. Damn. I kind of like the Zebra better. I don't know. I. The gold. The rookie gold vinyl is awesome. I think having the Rookie Gold vinyl plus 40K is. Or plus 35K. That. That's that. Yu-Gi-Oh We do this a Lot. What Would you rather have the gold vinyl plus 30k or would you rather have the Topps Chrome one of one. Give me the rookie plus the cash. The Rookie. This is maybe the toughest question of them all. I'm a Prizm simp, but then also I'm a rarity and Scarcity simp. So it's like there's five of these. There's one of those, man. Oh, that's. I think I probably side with you on this. I think I'm going Gold Vinyl. Give me the 40k and let's, let's. Let's be happy about it. Yu-Gi-Oh I just. I kind of want 40k. That's all I'm thinking about right now. Maybe it can come from Tostitos. Yu-Gi-Oh Shout out Tostitos because. Yu-Gi-Oh that. Yu-Gi-Oh Would you rather have the Prizm Gold Vinyl Rookie and unlimited snacks and betting funds for the entire football season or the Superfractor. That's what that 35k might turn into it. Maybe buy a couple cards here and there. Like some cards that you wouldn't even buy that are on your watch list. Like, let me knock out, like, this 3K card and this 5K card that I've been staring at forever. Get some free snacks and then have some more money in the bank. I. I'm after talking through this Gold Vinyl all day. Gold Vinyl all day. But, man, I would. I'm not knocking anyone who would pick the Superfractor. That card rules. I like the picture on that better too. I don't like. I don't love the Mahomes rookie or. I mean, it's fine, but he's just smaller. Like, I like how clear you can see this image. This. This, like, looks like Mahomes to me. You know, like, captures the essence of Patrick Mahomes, Zebra bowl champion, mvp. All that good stuff. Well, that's the other thing you have to deal with on rookie cards. Sometimes the guys, it's. They look younger. They don't look like themselves. Not fully formed yet. So you're. You're. You're dealing with that as well. But Good. Good point. Yu-Gi-Oh Yu-Gi-Oh I'm looking at. Yu-Gi-Oh he's just a little, like too small on the Prizm card. Maybe he doesn't. He doesn't have on the Topps Chrome card. He has. You got some authenticity as a hole in his sock or knee pad there. So you can actually see a hole like this. He has been playing this game. He's got a hole in his apparel here. Yu-Gi-Oh he just. He looks like a veteran in that photo. He Does. We're moving on. We're moving on. This is fun because we can go full circle. These are full circle moments. Going to Caleb Williams. 2024 Prizm Black Finite and a PSA9. This card sold for $222,000. And I want to contrast this with the Jackson Dart which at the last time of recording, Dart was leading the Williams. Now the Jackson dart from 2025 is rookie Black Finite sold for $204,000. So the Caleb ends up winning out by $20,000. You, I'm sure you were paying attention to this. What do you make of all of this? That there's a lot of hype on both quarterbacks. I'm glad that justice was served and that Caleb ended higher because for a while there I looked, I was like is Jackson Dart really gonna sell for double Caleb Williams? I just didn't. I don't know. It didn't make sense to me. So this makes a little more sense just based off Caleb Williams has led a team to the playoffs, has one-of-one a playoff game. Those extra little accomplishments over Jackson Dart I think are the reason that his card probably sold for more that that he's already just accomplished a little more. And people are excited about the potential upside of him and Ben Johnson becoming a dynasty which we all can feel is about to happen. But Yu-Gi-Oh I mean that's just still so much money for a couple quarterbacks who in this grand scheme of things have not done anything yet. Really. So awesome card. I would love this card. It this though is similar photo to the like Mahomes Prizm We're just kind of like standing kind of flat footed and feels like a photo shoot image instead of an in game action shot. So it's not my favorite photo of Kayla but. And the dart, the dart's got a little more energy to it. Yu-Gi-Oh A little more action to it. But Yu-Gi-Oh both cool car. I really like the 2025 design. Yu-Gi-Oh I was gonna ask you what do you like better, 24 or 25? I kind of think 25 I there's something about on 25 the like and this goes in with my 2025 Topps Chrome commentary. Like the team colors as part of the card design where if you go to the Dart like you can see that blue line behind his name and like the red line accents at the bottom and the blue and the red accents just like throughout the card. I think that looks cool. Whereas like the Caleb card is just outside of the Bears logo. There's no other Bears colors within the design of the card. So that's just something that I think jumps out to me is making 20, I think, I take it 2025 over 2024. Very respectable. I will say this. And we can close here with these two. The. There was a lot of like, lot of stinky Prizm design going on between like 20, 19 and 22. You could even maybe throw 23 in there. But then they, they closed out the run very, very strong. 24 and 25 I think are both very, very strong finishes to the run. Absolutely. Yu-Gi-Oh 19 to 23 are all 2020. I like, I like, I like 2022. Agree. But then like 21, 22 and 23 were all too similar and like too close to 20. Like so it's easy to like lump that stretch of five including 2019 together. 21 and 22 are definitely at the bottom of the barrel for me in terms of the higher entire run. Those fat borders and it's, it's just. Yu-Gi-Oh no, thanks. But we move on. So we have the highest selling public sale of a Randy Mar Moss card of all time. And that's his 98 Skybox EX2001 essential credentials out of six selling for $145,000. Who needs shoulder pads? Who needs a helmet? All you need is Randy being Randy and a ball in his arm and you're selling for a whole lot of money. Shout out 90s cards. Big sale for Moss. Yu-Gi-Oh this card absolutely rules. And this like being in the practice gear doesn't even bother me really that much on this one because it's so. It looks cohesive in the sense of he's got the jersey on this, the long sleeves underneath, purple shorts. Like there's something about when they're in practice gear where it's like a. It's not like the full jersey or you know, it's like more of this doesn't look like practice jersey. He's wearing his like game day jersey. Just. He just doesn't have pads on. So it's less of the like the pad pads aren't the factor as much as like what the. The garments are. So. And seeing his face is cool. Like I don't know this card rules wearing number 18. Like I think he wore that his rookie year and then he switched. I don't remember when he switched to 84, but I love this card. Six copies. That's so cool. And Yu-Gi-Oh this design just never really gets old. Seeing the credentials from this year, especially the, the red and the purple one, that's my favorite. We close out with Maybe the biggest stunner of the week for me. The 2012 Prizm Red Die cut Tom Brady PSA10 with a population of two selling for $69,000. The last sale on this was September 21, 2025 for 19,800. That was a year ago. A year ago. Jesus. That's a wild come up. And before that September. Wait. Oh, that's different copy by the way. Different copy. One of the. The other one sold and then that. Yu-Gi-Oh the two copies sold. So Pop two. What would the Finite do? That's all this always makes me think about. Like he got his 2013 finite sitting over a million. This 2012 red die cut selling for 70k. I need that 2012 finites that come out of the woodwork and hit auction. Or gold. When's the last time a Brady 2012 gold sold? That would be fun to watch as well. Yu-Gi-Oh it's crazy but Yu-Gi-Oh man. People are recognizing the. Yu-Gi-Oh it's. I would never have imagined it. This. This card would reach these heights. But here we are. Are you a fan of the die cuts? This die cut. I'm just not a die cut guy. Really. I mean I've had these before. Obviously not a Brady but feel like it's missing something like part of the card. So Yu-Gi-Oh I'm just not a massive die cut guy. So not really. Not. Yu-Gi-Oh Same. And like I've seen these before with Bears guys but the. The red I don't like. I've talked about this many times. The red border with a Bears player never did it for me. This looks great with Brady though. Like this color scheme works. So this card definitely is. Is a cool card. A seventy thousand dollar card too. Yes. Big old sale shout out card ladder for making it easy to present market watch. Absolutely. Car lighter. The best. Best in the biz. All right, getting to collecting updates and a card call out. Get out of here. Collecting updates, current collecting projects that you're focusing your resources on. Any. Any pickups. I did get a PSA notification. Got a order coming back and in that order was my 2019 Ty Hilton Black Finite. I got a PSA9 on that. We talked about 2019 finites last week with the Larry Fitzgerald and then this card popped and I was like oh, I can't wait to have this in hand again. So Yu-Gi-Oh not. Not a pickup but just getting a car. That is my third Ty Finite. I've got his 2012 rookie 2013 and the 2019. So if you got any other ones, I'm happy to buy them from you. Yu-Gi-Oh What A run. You need. Wait, so you have 12, 13, 19. Yu-Gi-Oh You need that 14. That's. I do. I need to pair it with the luck for sure. I need the 14. Yes. Big time. That's awesome. Yu-Gi-Oh I got a PSA sub back recently with a bunch of bears. One of ones that was awesome. It's always great just to have them have them back and it for them to officially make their stake of claim within the case. And then my other pickup, 2002 Finest football mini box. So there's two of those in a box. Is that. How. So a box would have three mini boxes. There's six packs in this mini box. So like a full box would have 18 packs. But the interesting thing about this, I'll just give a quick 2002 Finest history lesson because I was also doing some like forum deep dives and found some exciting information where. Okay. On this box it says approximate odds of finding a hot mini box is 1 in 635. And so the hot mini box is where the X factors would come from. It's not like the X factors were randomly inserted into every box. There would just be a hot mini box that was based on one reading all X fractures. Like every card in the hot mini box was. Can you imagine open that thing up? Because I read a forum post where a guy was talking about he had ripped the product or saw someone rip the product and that they pulled. They opened a hot mini box and it was all X factors and they all had the same serial number. Like they were all like, you could have got the box. That's like two out of 20. And it's all of the. All the cards would be numbered 2 out of 20, which tracks with yes at the Midwest Monster. Like several years ago, I bought like 20x fractures that were just like in like a value bin. This guy like had a ton of them and so many of them had like the same serial number. And so like that kind of tracks where it's like, all right, someone hit a hot mini box and they made their way down here. So I don't know. Always, always interested in this product. There's not a lot of info out there. So finding any clues I can is always fun. It that. That lines up with some of my research that I've done on them over the years where I have seen the ec, whether it was in an ebay listing or through like post somewhere. I had, I had seen X fractures associated with Hotbox, but I never understood the full context. It would just be like the X fractures and it would be like. Copy would be like, hot box. And I'd just be like, well, what is that? What does that really mean? So you're providing clarity for me that I never really knew about before. So. And it's just interesting because I had done a. I bought a bunch of Beckett magazines from around the release because I wanted to find, like, the product preview, and I have that in one of my magazines. And they don't mention the X factors at all as a chase card. Like, they advertise the gold refractors, but they don't even mention X factor, which is in. That's weird to me that in a product preview, you don't mention the rarest card, rarest chase card in the set. So I don't know how it all unfolded and what the people at Tops Finest were doing in the early 2000s, but if you're working there, let me know. We would love to have you on the podcast and we'd love to get you in the Pick a M. Yu-Gi-Oh Come join. Come join. All right, Card call out. Let's get out of here. Last week, we asked to see your favorite fantasy players. A lot of lt. Yu-Gi-Oh a lot of lt. That sparked the convo. A lot of other good fantasy legends this week. I'm still thinking about recipes, but. What. What are you thinking, Brett? Like, what? Or another option I put is just your team. Like, you're. If you're excited for your team and want to just fire off, or maybe we save that for next week going into the season. But like. Or current favorite fantasy players. Like, someone you're excited about playing football this year. An active player. Like, favorite active player. Or. Yu-Gi-Oh flex your, like, team. Collecting are some options. I'm gonna let you pick this one because I am just. I'm empty right now. You go with your gut. You. You tell the people. Teams I want to see. Like, who? What? Who's your team? And some of your favorite cards from your favorite team. So, Brett, a Colts fan, is going to post some Colts cards. I'll post some Bears cards. Whoever you're rooting for this year, your favorite cards of players from your team. Share them, post them to Instagram. Tag the football card pod on Instagram. We will reshare your post. Join the Pick' Em League. We gotta get 100 people in there. That'll be fun for everybody. Get in the Pick' Em League. Listen to the football card pod, and we'll see you next week. Make sure you sign up for that Pick' Em League. We would love to have you. It's gonna be a lot of fun. I can't wait to think I'm really smart. But then make a bunch of bad picks. It's how it goes. Follow us at the footballcard pod on the Instagram machine. Share your damn cards. Tag us. 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